After all the Beasty Versuses... versusii? versusodes recently, here's a question:
Does the conversion into Beasthood grant extra abilities, or is Beasthood conferred on someone with all the necessary requirements already in play?
After all the Beasty Versuses... versusii? versusodes recently, here's a question:
Does the conversion into Beasthood grant extra abilities, or is Beasthood conferred on someone with all the necessary requirements already in play?
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I have always interpreted that the 'bestiality' is given to those who already had characteristics to classify themselves as such. The descriptions of Authorities and Negas's descriptions always seem(for me) to imply that it's simply a already existing ability of that individual, that simply fits that definition to fill the skill's space.
But ofc, I can be wrong about it. Or, sorry if I misinterpreted the question and just started saying nonsense things
Bestiality is very poor word choice bro, just a heads up.
It’s a position that fills that comes with its own cool bling probably. A lot of the nega stuff seems like baked into human order special protection clauses that fits the shadow of humanity stuff and evils stuff that they’re suppose to be as weird cancers compared to A Mainyu CCC
Kiara doesn't have all her stuff when she's an Alter Ego, at least. The class container has some effect.
She still has Nega Saver, though, and I'm pretty sure most of the difference is just that she's holding back. There's even a mention that she'll instantly revert to being a Beast if Ritsuka succumbs to her temptations (e.g. her Valentine's Bad End?) She's real bad news, anyhow.Originally Posted by Kiara mats
As for Kama, the other Beast-as-a-Servant:
That's it. No Nega Desire or anything. I guess it's worth noting that Independent Manifestation is basically a Beast-exclusive class skill as hinted in the Merlin and Ryougi Shiki mats, but yeah. She's not very Beast-like as a Servant.
So yeah, I dunno. I think most of them don't have all those powers until they're granted Beasthood through whatever method? Note that Kama and Kiara were basically called infant Beasts, and while T-V is working hard she's clearly got a ways to go, so there's clearly some kind of process involved in reaching the proper powerlevel.
Like Class Skills?
Then again, the Best was Kama/Mara, not just Kama...
I'am sorry, I didn't realize it sounded in such a amiss way...
That makes more sense too
Independent Manifestation in particular sounds like something that people who can become a Beast have innately, considering what has been said about people like Merlin, for example.
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Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
So why does Kirei just chain up Ilya the way he does in Fate to summon the Holy Grail and Gilgamesh kills her by ripping out her heart and puts it in Shinji in UBW to do it? Why do they do it in those different ways?
Spoiler:
Because they're different characters with different personalities.
In addition to the above: taking Heaven's Feel into account, I'd wager it's because Kirei specifically wants Angra Mainyu to be born, while Gilgamesh only wants to release the mud.
To expand on what Spoony said: Illya would form a perfect vessel which could contain any amount of mud—the disaster wouldn't be released until someone made a wish. A lesser magus, on the other hand, wouldn't be able to contain the mud and it would leak out endlessly. Gil thinks mud leaking out endlessly is good, so he took out Illya's core (heart) and stuck it in a lesser magus so they would turn into the Grail instead. (That's also why Shinji mutated into that mountain of flesh—his body was growing in a futile effort to contain the mud.)
Does the older Ryougi family know about the Mage's Association or at least the existence of magus? In Garan no Dou, Shiki seems like she does not know of the existence of magecraft nor magus hence Touko's "I'm a Mahoutsukai/Majutsushi".
Furthermore, if the older Ryougi members knew about the magus, what are the chances that Touko was hired specifically because she is one?
They should know. The duality shit they pull is, for all effects and purposes, a magecraft experiment that successfully reached the Root and that doesn't sound like a thing people would do by accident.
So I've been trying to figure out where nasu explicitely says the future will be better than the past but I can really only find elements and I cant be assed going through gils route on CCC or FSN
lemme quote royd here
"Well, Nasu himself has made it clear that modern science will eventually surpass everything Magecraft can do and more. So I don't know if I'd say his worldview is reactionary, even if some of his works can be read that way. If anything he can be accused of being overly bound to an enlightenment ideal of progress, which is the exact opposite of a reactionary."
Where was this said? like explicitely laid out in full
First in Kara no Kyoukai we have Touko explaining that magecraft depends on Mystery to work. The more accessible and widespread a knowledge is, the less magecraft can do with it. Then Case Files and /strange Fake have a lot of Waver commentary on how the internet is making Mystery more and more difficult to conceal. This age of information is very clearly building up to magecraft becoming unusable.
The future being better than the past is not a matter of technology becoming almighty, it's a matter of knowledge monopolizers growing powerless in the face of the widespread distribution provided by modern means of communication.
How do servant work with mystery since they still seem to work by there old mysteries, how does mystery work with the opposite concept like Feats which require being known becoming NPs?
Hell how does the mooncell copy and record mysteries since BB seems to have older mysteries than gil, shouldnt it be weaker by virtue of being a copy/2nd one?
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So which aspect of the Arthurian mythos is Invisible Air supposed to represent?
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