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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronove View Post
    Originally Perseus circa FSN.
    Changed to Achilles Post-Apocrypha.
    Oh, interesting. I had thought it was either him or Theseus, but that was because I kind of forgot Achilles existed. Thank you!
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    When was it stated it was originally Perseus?

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    Was it ever stated to be Perseus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc Mat for Achilles
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    No because you need to have your blood sucked while being injected with vamp blood to be a DA.




    Yes, that's right. Roa somehow got Arc not only to drink his blood but to inject some of hers in him
    Iirc Ciel claims at some.point that just being bitten by a TA is enough to "forever taint your soul" , so maybe thats just for DA's
    Or maybe Roa cheated and while Arc was biting him he used a siringe to steal some blood... Or Arc just sucks and accidentally let her blood go back into him like Satsuki claims she accidentally did when she found out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattias View Post
    Nah, after Herc you can either go for the older age with Perseus, or the younger one with the Trojan war. And Achilles is the greatest hero of that story. As much as Ody is my favourite Greek hero, his myth is less about great deeds and more about just wanting everything to be over.

    Theseus. Dude has several temples and everything, none of the other heroes do.

    edit: as far as I can remember at least, don't dunk me
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    Theseus is still the most prominently worshipped one though. I didn't know Menelaus had a shrine, that's cool.
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    It's like with centaur girls, you're fucking a horse. Sure the human part is the one that moans but your dick is in the horse, no way around it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Theseus. Dude has several temples and everything, none of the other heroes do.

    edit: as far as I can remember at least, don't dunk me
    Well that's probably because he's the Athenian local hero and I heard Athenians were pretty big

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    Hey, all. I'm playing the Fate VN for the first and I have a question I hope someone can answer. When Shirou and Kirei fight at the end of the Fate route, Shirou's reason for not bringing out Caliburn is that he needs one minute to project it, and Kirei wasn't giving him enough time. But he didn't seem to have that limitation when he projected Caliburn to defend against Berserker's attack while he was mid-swing. Is there a reason for that? I feel like I might've skimmed over an explanation somewhere for why he had the one-minute limitation in that fight but seemingly nowhere else, but I'm not finding anything.

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    I'd spoiler tag the HF part because the person asking the question said he's still finishing the Fate route now.

    EDIT: Now this look silly with the other post deleted.
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    This is the Fate route. I have not reached Heaven's Feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Fox View Post
    Hey, all. I'm playing the Fate VN for the first and I have a question I hope someone can answer. When Shirou and Kirei fight at the end of the Fate route, Shirou's reason for not bringing out Caliburn is that he needs one minute to project it, and Kirei wasn't giving him enough time. But he didn't seem to have that limitation when he projected Caliburn to defend against Berserker's attack while he was mid-swing. Is there a reason for that? I feel like I might've skimmed over an explanation somewhere for why he had the one-minute limitation in that fight but seemingly nowhere else, but I'm not finding anything.
    Maybe It has to do with saber (the original owner of the sword and all of that) sticking with shirou in that fight? I don't remember that well but sounds acceptable as a factor.

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    I think it just depends on how you want to look at it. You could try to argue that Shirou had been concentrating prior to projecting Caliburn during the berserker fight, or you could argue (like the other guy did) that Shirou was talking about his specific circumstances during the fight against Kirei despite how general the text makes it seem. You could also maybe argue that Shirou's just thinking out of his ass. If I had to guess I'd say the second option is the most likely, but I'm sure it could be refuted. Other people would be able to give a more definitive answer than that, but those are my two cents.
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    Do the fairy clans in LB6 have any bearing on PHH fairy lore or are they pure invention

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    I'm pretty sure they're Lostbelt only, because I believe they were formed long after the Lostbelt's divergence point

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Fox View Post
    Hey, all. I'm playing the Fate VN for the first and I have a question I hope someone can answer. When Shirou and Kirei fight at the end of the Fate route, Shirou's reason for not bringing out Caliburn is that he needs one minute to project it, and Kirei wasn't giving him enough time. But he didn't seem to have that limitation when he projected Caliburn to defend against Berserker's attack while he was mid-swing. Is there a reason for that? I feel like I might've skimmed over an explanation somewhere for why he had the one-minute limitation in that fight but seemingly nowhere else, but I'm not finding anything.
    Shirou's Projection is not regular Projection in the sense that he is not loading an object from memory or a blue print, but from Unlimited Blade Works.
    In the Berserker scene you can see he actually spent a long time retrieving the image, and tried multiple times before getting it right.
    The Fate Shirou is also the worst magus amongst all 3 versions of Shirou.

    You will see in the later routes that the other versions of Shirou do not have this limitation. In fact the other versions of Shirou actually transcended a lot of supposed limitations of Projection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolque View Post
    Maybe It has to do with saber (the original owner of the sword and all of that) sticking with shirou in that fight? I don't remember that well but sounds acceptable as a factor.
    This may be part of it too, because the image of Caliburn came from Sabre's memory. The actual Noble Phantasm no longer exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araya's Dry Cleaner View Post
    Shirou's Projection is not regular Projection in the sense that he is not loading an object from memory or a blue print, but from Unlimited Blade Works.
    In the Berserker scene you can see he actually spent a long time retrieving the image, and tried multiple times before getting it right.
    The Fate Shirou is also the worst magus amongst all 3 versions of Shirou.

    You will see in the later routes that the other versions of Shirou do not have this limitation. In fact the other versions of Shirou actually transcended a lot of supposed limitations of Projection.

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    This may be part of it too, because the image of Caliburn came from Sabre's memory. The actual Noble Phantasm no longer exists.
    Theat reminds me on the Question i had that where are the counless Noblephantasm of the Heros and other Legendary beings actually as they must have some where abouts or atleast their remnants and have they still the abbillities they had during the live of the Hero or the Summoned servant has acces to it i kno some are still keeped at museum or archives like William Wallace sword example wise ?

    and is true ether really not contained withhin the Air and World are would hypothetically it be able to be sealed with bounded fields created during the Age of Gods ?

    and if modern Mages come into contact with it how would they bodies react ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabalisto Koga View Post
    Theat reminds me on the Question i had that where are the counless Noblephantasm of the Heros and other Legendary beings actually as they must have some where abouts or atleast their remnants and have they still the abbillities they had during the live of the Hero or the Summoned servant has acces to it i kno some are still keeped at museum or archives like William Wallace sword example wise ?
    If you have the genuine article of the said Noble Phantasm, then yes, they would work as before. Noble Phantasms are concepts. Their powers may fluctuate depending on how mankind perceive the legends, but they are never truly gone (unless mankind go extinct).

    and is true ether really not contained withhin the Air and World are would hypothetically it be able to be sealed with bounded fields created during the Age of Gods ?

    and if modern Mages come into contact with it how would they bodies react ?
    Not sure exactly what you are trying to say here.
    Things get locked in Reality Marble, boundary field, and Marble Phantasm all the time. Nothing special happens.
    As long as the person maintaining it is powerful enough, anything inside will stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs View Post
    Do the fairy clans in LB6 have any bearing on PHH fairy lore or are they pure invention
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    I'm pretty sure they're Lostbelt only, because I believe they were formed long after the Lostbelt's divergence point
    lol how greatly things change in a single day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Araya's Dry Cleaner View Post
    Shirou's Projection is not regular Projection in the sense that he is not loading an object from memory or a blue print, but from Unlimited Blade Works.
    In the Berserker scene you can see he actually spent a long time retrieving the image, and tried multiple times before getting it right.
    The Fate Shirou is also the worst magus amongst all 3 versions of Shirou.

    You will see in the later routes that the other versions of Shirou do not have this limitation. In fact the other versions of Shirou actually transcended a lot of supposed limitations of Projection.

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    This may be part of it too, because the image of Caliburn came from Sabre's memory. The actual Noble Phantasm no longer exists.
    This makes sense. Thank you.

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