What happened to Fate/Requiem?
What happened to Fate/Requiem?
Nothing at all! For... a long time now.
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Literally me.Originally Posted by Kirishima
Meteo's in charge, baby
Nothing since volume 2 came out in 2020. It was even delayed a couple months back then too, meant for winter comiket and ended up being like June or something.
Apparently Meteo is notorious for being very slow.
I might have already asked this somewhere else, but for the love of god I can't remember the answer. In the end, did we figure out who or what was Oryou during the Lancer Ryouma event? Is she Hiruko? Kagutsuchi? Suijin? A completely Keikenchi-original deity?
One of these two.
From what I remember of Tsukihime's opening either Arcueid specifically or all True Ancestors ARE fairies, in the sense that they're implicitly connected to the planet. Arc IS Archetype Earth, after all.
Aoko's grandfather couldn't use the Fifth and didn't expect his children would be able to either, he just got closer than most.
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Their great-great-grandfather was the one who (re?) discovered the Fifth, I believe. But he ended up sealing it up again until someone who could actually touch the Root and not disappear came along in the family.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
Well yes but I was under the impression that Marble Phantasm was specifically for TA-type fairies and not just fairies in general. But I suppose it is true that Mike was just spawning bread out of thin air, as Comun said. I never really linked it to Marble Phantasm though.
Where is Aoko's great-great grandfather mentioned? The farthest back is her grandfather who is currently a ghost. He was the one cited as having discovered a path to the root in Misaki. I don't think it was stated he couldn't use the Magic he discovered either so much as his final goal was the Root and not Magic.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
Suppose I'm a mage and my element is Earth.
My crest has a freezing (water) spell.
Can I use it? Do I and can I change it's element to turn it into a petrification spell with the same effect, for example? Do I need to make a new spell instead of using my acestor's?
There are two levels by which you can think of magecraft in the Nasuverse.
The first is the mechanical model explained by:
I'm sure most people on this forum know the food explanation of "magecraft is layering on enough attributes (meaning) to an element to do something."
The second is the mystery model:
This is the Magic Foundation stuff. Gandr is a Norse rune it curses people because pointing your finger is rude.
Both models are used in canon and are sometimes interwoven. The advantage of separating magecraft like this is letting the author infodump magecraft in two different ways. One is in the context of anthropology and occult, the other as a generalized system. Your question is about the mechanical model.
If the Freezing spell is purely elemental magecraft, then it requires a water element to use.
If it is an attribute that freezes water then yes, an earth aligned magus can use it but it produces a different effect (like you said petrification as a possibility).
Now, what in-universe decides whether the spell purely elemental or an attribute? That would be the rules of the mystery the spell is based off.
So the answer is, it depends.
Last edited by You; March 17th, 2023 at 11:15 AM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I did not realize those were two different models, I thought every spell had a core in elemental magic, even if it is extremely difficult to identify what it is due to the multiple attributes adding meaning. I think CM3 itself uses Illya's mind transference magecraft as an example so I assumed that extended for everything.
Let me extend my question then to make sure I understand.
Let's say I have an elemental magic of petrification. Only mages of the Earth element can use it as it is. Other elements would have to find a concept from that element to achieve the same effects of 'stopping someone completely' (freezing for water, being surrounded by fire, etc).
I could also achieve the same result by relying on the foundation of gorgon mystic eyes, and in that case any mage, regardless of element, would be able to use it.
I could also have an elemental petrification magic that's dressed up in so many attributes that it's unrecognizable as an elemental magic. In this last case, would the Mage's element matter?
These models are used to discuss magecraft in-universe. The Theory of Magecraft is one theory. Every spell does start with an elemental alignment.
Think of physics where separate models are used to explain the same phenomenon. All models are imperfect, however one model might be better than another at explaining certain phenomena and vice-versa. Explaining things using the mechanical model has advantages, explaining things by talking about the mystery has a different set of advantages.
There is likely an in-universe explanation to why magecraft is talked in two different ways. Talking about magecraft as a general system made up of categories, costs, and effects means you don't have to discuss the mystery behind the spells and therefore risk someone taking your work.
The biggest example of this is would be Rin. Throughout FSN she talks about her Jewel Magecraft using a mechanical model. I use conversion, it's lets me store my magical energy into jewels, I can store other things etc. We don't get a hint of what the underlying formula is except when you see her soak the jewel in blood. Yet, the mystery behind that formula is never explained.
However, in Case Files you're given the tour of the mystery behind the Eldefelt magecraft (that the Tohsaka coversion is based off).
That's what makes Waver's superpower so dangerous. He's able to pinpoint the mystery when someone is giving the mechanical explanation. He's able to see through the magus equivalent to code-switching."But, if we look at the Gandr you showed me earlier, your magecraft is clearly sourced closer to northern Europe. That would mean it uses gems as a medium for magecraft, infusing them with magical energy by dyeing them with the user's own blood or other bodily fluids. It's better to look at it like a form of specialized Rune magic. While the state of Rune Magic in general is in decline, the Edelfelt's brought jewels into the mix and cut open a new path for themselves. It's probably a similar situation as to why their Spells are in English. If we ask what we can learn from that information, we can see that as an Edelfelt, you probably take great pride in the tremendous value of your jewels, very different from some many other nobles or aristocrats."
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Ok that's perfect, now I get it. Thanks a ton.
Gorgon mystic eyes isn't a foundation, it'd be the formula. The foundation is a more generalized system. There isn't a exact name given to it in GO for the magecraft Medusa is able to use, so lets just say its "Gorgon Magecraft."
If the Gorgon mystic eyes replication spell was elemental then only earth magi can use it. Other magi who use the Gorgon Magecraft system who do not have an earth alignment would need to find/create a different formula within the foundation aligned to their element "to achieve the same effects of 'stopping someone completely' (freezing for water, being surrounded by fire, etc)."
If the Gorgon mystic eye replication spell is an attribute (an applied meaning) then anyone can use it. Depending on their element, it would look different but it would still be "petrification."
Last edited by You; March 17th, 2023 at 11:49 AM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Alright, formula. That's not terminology I'm used to but it makes sense. The foundation would be Greek mythology I guess.
Thanks for the help.
Greek mythology would be the foundation (small f) of the Magical Foundation the Gorgon spells your magus is using is derived from. Mythologies are used to create Magic Foundations. Magic Foundations are created by magi (not always magi) and exist as Greater Rituals, High Thaumaturgy. They themselves are concrete formulae.
A Magic Foundation is magecraft that makes magecraft function (that might sound paradoxical).
Last edited by You; March 17th, 2023 at 12:02 PM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Oh, I didn't realize Magical Foundations were purposefully created and different from foundations, but I can see it is the case rereading theory of magic.
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