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[Dullahan]

conceivably the publication of Fate/Stay Night (2004), a popular visual novel back in the day (in which you can see nasu's first prototype of shirou taking shape), might have had something to do with it

[Alfredo845]

In the original novel that kind of thing did not happen, of course, from time to time Fujimura made a joke because Shirou lived with many beautiful women, but only advances and romantic things happened with the heroine of the route, that kind of thing did not begin to happen until Hollow Ataraxia and even then not to the same extent as the current ones.

[Tobias]

Well seeing as how there were three girls whose attention shirou attracted without conscious effort in the VN itself, you can argue it happened earlier.

(that’s rin, Sakura, and Ilya, if you are keeping count)

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I mean, the Unwanted Harem trope does exist...Also, long time no see Toby.

[Arete]

For most mythologies, gods were gods until Altera showed and destroyed their physical bodies, reducing them to Divine Spirits. Norse is an exception, where they managed to dodge Sefar and only lost their physical bodies on Ragnarok in 1000BC. LB2's divergence point is that their Ragnarok had a survivor, Skadi, who preserved her divine body until 2018.

Reminds me, if Ragnarok, the time when the Norse gods died, occurred around 1,000 BC, then how are ones like Odin and the like still doing things after that? And how is it that they aren't primarily worshipped till around 2,000 years later? Were the transmissions from Valhalla slow like that one episode of Futuruma? Or did they reincarnate like some versions of Ragnarok imply despite not really matching up with history? And if they did die around 1,000 BC, who worshipped them exactly? The earliest I can find for when Odin was worshipped is around 200 BC but he should've already been dead by then.

[Tenshi]

Reminds me, if Ragnarok, the time when the Norse gods died, occurred around 1,000 BC, then how are ones like Odin and the like still doing things after that? And how is it that they aren't primarily worshipped till around 2,000 years later? Were the transmissions from Valhalla slow like that one episode of Futuruma? Or did they reincarnate like some versions of Ragnarok imply despite not really matching up with history? And if they did die around 1,000 BC, who worshipped them exactly? The earliest I can find for when Odin was worshipped is around 200 BC but he should've already been dead by then.

They could simply have been worshipped at that time before, and the cults were simply passed on without modern historians not knowing about it. At this point in the number of justifications regarding the Age of Gods's discrepancies with the not-so-accurate dates of our history. You should know by now that what we record in history is not always what actually happened during that time. Orlean's section 2, or the very mentions of Tiamat in Babylon about it being "different from what is recorded historically", by instance. It's just a generalized excuse to justify this kind of thing.

And, they could still interfere with things by human faith yet, that's the whole stuff about Divine Spirits still being able to act during AoG's final years before man's civilization was fully established in the primacy. At the beginning of Babylon, by instance, Da Vinci already says that at the time they're in, Gods are already absent figures in interfering directly with the world on their own. But the worships and faith placed upon them, still allowed interference in smaller scales.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Divine Spirits still exist thanks to the belief of the people, and besides, we know so little about the history of Norse religion/Germanic paganism IRL that there is a ton of wiggle room for Type Moon. That does not excuse Scathach-Skadi, though...

[AAM1232]

Reminds me, if Ragnarok, the time when the Norse gods died, occurred around 1,000 BC, then how are ones like Odin and the like still doing things after that? And how is it that they aren't primarily worshipped till around 2,000 years later? Were the transmissions from Valhalla slow like that one episode of Futuruma? Or did they reincarnate like some versions of Ragnarok imply despite not really matching up with history? And if they did die around 1,000 BC, who worshipped them exactly? The earliest I can find for when Odin was worshipped is around 200 BC but he should've already been dead by then.

Gods probably went to the Reverse side in some way. We know people like Vishnu can still interact with Servants so it's not that questionable.

[Zork Knight]

I'm curious. Did Fate/Zero mention how the Hassan sacrificed to Gilgamesh was chosen among Hundred Face's? Did purple hair just decide to send Zayd because fuck Zayd

[Arete]

They could simply have been worshipped at that time before, and the cults were simply passed on without modern historians not knowing about it. At this point in the number of justifications regarding the Age of Gods's discrepancies with the not-so-accurate dates of our history. You should know by now that what we record in history is not always what actually happened during that time. Orlean's section 2, or the very mentions of Tiamat in Babylon about it being "different from what is recorded historically", by instance. It's just a generalized excuse to justify this kind of thing.

And, they could still interfere with things by human faith yet, that's the whole stuff about Divine Spirits still being able to act during AoG's final years before man's civilization was fully established in the primacy. At the beginning of Babylon, by instance, Da Vinci already says that at the time they're in, Gods are already absent figures in interfering directly with the world on their own. But the worships and faith placed upon them, still allowed interference in smaller scales.

I don't have much trouble with most of the liberties they take with the Norse, mostly just find it confusing in how Ragnarok occurs about 2,000 years before the major sect that worships those gods arises. Did Ragnarok just destroy the texture of the Norse gods then, and that's what it means by them 'dying'? It does make some sense.

Divine Spirits still exist thanks to the belief of the people, and besides, we know so little about the history of Norse religion/Germanic paganism IRL that there is a ton of wiggle room for Type Moon. That does not excuse Scathach-Skadi, though...

I remember Da Vinci mentioning how the Norse stuff was largely a mystery still to mages, so it really annoys me when we have the likes of Scathach-Skadi who could give some answers on the matter but doesn't seem to even when we summon her.

[Hawkeye]

I'm curious. Did Fate/Zero mention how the Hassan sacrificed to Gilgamesh was chosen among Hundred Face's? Did purple hair just decide to send Zayd because fuck Zayd

Oh, oh, I actually know this one. Basically, among the various personas, many possessed unique skills and abilities not shared by the others, Zayd did not, so he was basically considered the most expendable as all his abilities could be duplicated by one of the others.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Gods probably went to the Reverse side in some way. We know people like Vishnu can still interact with Servants so it's not that questionable.

Or wherever the Throne of Gods might be. I mean, Pa human Zeus also interacts with Europa, at least according to her, and is watching Chaldea.

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I don't have much trouble with most of the liberties they take with the Norse, mostly just find it confusing in how Ragnarok occurs about 2,000 years before the major sect that worships those gods arises. Did Ragnarok just destroy the texture of the Norse gods then, and that's what it means by them 'dying'? It does make some sense.



I remember Da Vinci mentioning how the Norse stuff was largely a mystery still to mages, so it really annoys me when we have the likes of Scathach-Skadi who could give some answers on the matter but doesn't seem to even when we summon her.

I'm pretty sure Ragnarok is the mechanism by which the Norse texture was destroyed to make way for the new texture, and the gods' physical bodies were destroyed in the process, leading to their remaining as Divine Spirits up to the Viking Era. It's also worth noting that these gods were worshipped in various forms across the region since potentially Neolithic times, so to say they were destroyed before they were majorly worshipped seems a bit off to me.

Also, my annoyance with Scathach-Skadi is that she is clearly based off pseudo-comparative mythology bullshit from the '70s.

[Byegod]

I don't have much trouble with most of the liberties they take with the Norse, mostly just find it confusing in how Ragnarok occurs about 2,000 years before the major sect that worships those gods arises. Did Ragnarok just destroy the texture of the Norse gods then, and that's what it means by them 'dying'? It does make some sense.



I remember Da Vinci mentioning how the Norse stuff was largely a mystery still to mages, so it really annoys me when we have the likes of Scathach-Skadi who could give some answers on the matter but doesn't seem to even when we summon her.

I saw it as more nasu/whoever realizing that norse stuf is mostly post AD which is post AOG so they did this slapdash solution

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I saw it as more nasu/whoever realizing that norse stuf is mostly post AD which is post AOG so they did this slapdash solution

Disagree with this take, since the Greek gods were also killed thousands of years before Olympian religion as we knew it emerged, and the Age of Man began 2,000 years before the White Titan attacked Earth.

[fumei]

The idea that humans couldn't have continued to worship gods after they died/disappeared/whatever after the AoG is dumb and moot, with the main piece of counterargument being: real life.
There's no reason why Nasuverse humans would just go "nope the gods obviously fucked off we're not gonna worship shit".

[CO9p5JMGv!p9]

I saw it as more nasu/whoever realizing that norse stuf is mostly post AD which is post AOG so they did this slapdash solution

should've just said "uhhhh it's a geographically isolated peninsula, almost like an island, so AoG faded slower"

[Arete]

Oh, oh, I actually know this one. Basically, among the various personas, many possessed unique skills and abilities not shared by the others, Zayd did not, so he was basically considered the most expendable as all his abilities could be duplicated by one of the others.

Sounds like his unique skill was being expendable.

should've just said "uhhhh it's a geographically isolated peninsula, almost like an island, so AoG faded slower"

Do we know where the last place the AoG remained was? If islands retained it longer than other places, wouldn't somewhere like New Zealand be the final place? From what I remember, the AoG was still active in Japan till around 1,000 AD but New Zealand wasn't even settled till over 200 years later.

And do we know if Antarctica had an AoG? I can't imagine it did since there were no humans but we don't know what it might have been like back then and there was certainly a lot of mystery that surrounded it till the late 1900's, with a lot of old stories from back then having it as some mystical land. Has anything been said on the matter?

[fumei]

Do we know where the last place the AoG remained was? If islands retained it longer than other places, wouldn't somewhere like New Zealand be the final place? From what I remember, the AoG was still active in Japan till around 1,000 AD but New Zealand wasn't even settled till over 200 years later.

And do we know if Antarctica had an AoG? I can't imagine it did since there were no humans but we don't know what it might have been like back then and there was certainly a lot of mystery that surrounded it till the late 1900's, with a lot of old stories from back then having it as some mystical land. Has anything been said on the matter?

As far as we know Britain and/or Japan should be the last ones to leave the AoG, but we obviously haven't had every part of the world explored so we can't say for sure. But I think you're a bit too hung up on the presence of humans, and faultily so. Whether there are humans there are not doesn't matter for the AoG, that's why it's the age of gods in the first place. You could argue that a human presence is necessary for the AoG to decline later on, but at the same time I see it happening across the entire world as a sort of chain reaction, if nothing else then because of the decline of mystery and true ether, it just happens at different speeds.

[CO9p5JMGv!p9]

North Sentinel Island's Age of Gods is still ongoing.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

North Sentinel Island's Age of Gods is still ongoing.

Maybe not. It could have ended without their input, and they've actually started their own Iron Age with the parts of a fishing boat wreck.