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    Frankly one of the most wrong-headed parts of Sanda lore
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    Seems like a preamble to doing similar things for other countries magic systems.

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    I'm honestly not sure it's a Sanda idea considering Taigong Wang and Douman have both talked about it in GO, and predated Rin's explanation in CF too. I think it's something Nasu set up and Sanda was just the first to explain it, similar to Spirit Tomb Albion.

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    I always assumed those were just clues or teases before the big reveal in CF.

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    Do we know if Sanda actually involved in defining setting-wide rules like this? I know Nasu is pretty hands-off and Sanda is the magecraft lore guy nowadays, but I just kinda assumed any big enough decision came from Nasu, or was at least developed alongside him.

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    Sanda doesn't even write his own lore, let alone anyone else's.

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    Old mats said China, the Middle East, etc. had their own brands of magecraft incompatible with Western Magecraft. That part is on Nasu. But Sanda is the one who consilidated each system for Adventures by discussing them one by one with Nasu. Higashide and Sakurai are also there during the discussion, so Sanda's and Nasu's decisions there where used in Sakurai's Douman/Taigong and Higashide's Jue/Xu Fu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byegod View Post
    By magics own definition i think magic is a oddity honestly.

    I mean 1 and 5 fit if its just a root connection manifesting in a certain way, but 2-4 were not derived purely from the root but made to get there. Which raises all sorts of questions as to HOW they got it.

    I mean the third at least for the einzberns was a accident but the 2nd is the big one that scratches my head.
    I think that anyone can "use" True Magic even without being connected to the root (hence why Rin can use and potentially recreate the Jeweled Sword and Kojiro can Tsubame Gaeshi), but you need to have the root connection to actually be able to use it to its fullest extent. So Zelretch created the Second True Magic at first to reach the root and then after having reached it he became able to use it to its full extent through his connection.
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    I need Flueger to come back if there's ever an explanation for Middle Eastern style.

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    I wonder how Indian magecraft works given how long the British were in power. Does it incorporate more widely accepted methods by the Clock Tower? Or did it go underground to keep it's roots intact?
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    This is complete conjecture, but although Clock Tower explicitly aren't connected to Britain on a national level, you can make the argument that the Empire was in part an attempt to aggregate Magecraft from around the world and consolidate their influence. After all, the first to propose the idea was John Dee, who was essentially Elizabeth I's court mage. So I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of India's esotericism found a second home in Clock Tower.

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    Though, given Paracelsus's studies of tattva, there's also evidence to suggest that Indian stuff was being absorbed into Clock Tower's repertoires way before that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    I need Flueger to come back if there's ever an explanation for Middle Eastern style.
    Flue likely doesn't use Middle Eastern magecraft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    Though, given Paracelsus's studies of tattva
    That was a thing?
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    Yes and it gets a whole section about in his FGO mats profile. A 5 lines long section, but still a separate section nonetheless.

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    I love Paracelsus. He has tons of little things like that in his background. It's so interesting.

    He's definitely up there in the "Servants done with all possible justice" hall of fame imo.
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    So can someone tell me, how big the universe of awareness is? Is it solar system sized as this person claims?
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    While various myths, such as Greek mythology and Norse mythology, are said to have existed in the past, they were later lost from formal history as the texture was stripped away . It does not exist in the universe (=the earth and its rings, the inner universe of the solar system), nor has it ever existed. To put it bluntly, it is a completely fictitious existence.
    Also where does this comes from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandBeastVIII View Post
    https://typemoon.wiki.cre.jp/wiki/%E...A5%9E%E8%A9%B1
    While various myths, such as Greek mythology and Norse mythology, are said to have existed in the past, they were later lost from formal history as the texture was stripped away . It does not exist in the universe (=the earth and its rings, the inner universe of the solar system), nor has it ever existed. To put it bluntly, it is a completely fictitious existence.
    Also where does this comes from?
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    魔神ゼパル バアルは過去に跳躍。
    アンドラスは逃亡中に停止。
    魔神ゼパル フェニクスは自らの無限生の苦しみに囚われた。
    私は傷を癒やす為に、自らの園を作る。
    魔神ゼパル おまえはどのような道を目指す。
    どのような解決法に着手するのだ?
    魔神ラウム ……そうだな。
    私は迷信を信じる。
    魔神ラウム 譫妄せんもう。啓蒙けいもう。あるいは虚構。
    それら全てを用いて、真実を終わらせたい。
    魔神ゼパル ? それはどういう?
    魔神ラウム この惑星には、神性でも神秘でもない、さりとて
    受肉した悪魔でもない、『伝承』が残されている。
    魔神ラウム 魔術協会における伝承科。我らの王の弟子のひとり、
    ブリシサンが預かった禁忌の中の禁忌だ。
    魔神ラウム 私はその伝承と、迷信を重ね合わせる。
    魔神ラウム 私はこれより迷信の街を作るだろう。
    望むべく結果が出るその時まで研鑽を重ねるだろう。
    魔神ラウム 人類の救済こそ我らが存在意義。
    だが。
    魔神ラウム 信仰も、不老も、永続も、希望も、
    人類を救う事はできなかった。
    魔神ラウム きみも理解している頃だろう、ゼパル。
    『真実』では、人間は救えないと。
    魔神ゼパル 早計だ。まだ試作していない『真実』は多い。
    おまえの結論は
    魔神ラウム 黙れ。黙るがいい。
    懲りもせず敗北を続ける同胞どもめ……!
    魔神ラウム 私は『真実』を用いない。迷信。作りもの。
    そもそもこの宇宙にいないもの。それこそが私の鍵だ。
    魔神ゼパル この宇宙にはいないもの……並行世界にすら存在しない、
    別の宇宙への道を開くと?
    魔神ゼパル それは不可能だ。我々には不可能だ。
    なぜなら我らは秩序と常識、この惑星の法則で生まれたもの。
    魔神ゼパル 仮に外の宇宙があるとしても、そこに繋がる手段を、
    属性を持たない。
    魔神ラウム いかにも。
    だが、ここに狂気のような偶然がある。
    魔神ラウム 人間。人間だよ、ゼパル。
    すべては人間の行う事だ。
    魔神ラウム ひとりの夢を見る男が吐き出した創作神話が、
    本当に外宇宙の高次生命たちの在り方を言い当てた。
    魔神ラウム 一致した。その片鱗をこの宇宙に浮き彫りにした。
    それが一から十まで妄想にまみれたものだとしても、
    魔神ラウム その男は確かに道を繋げたのだ。
    魔神ラウム これも預言の一つと言える。
    その狂気の預言に、私は可能性を見た。
    魔神ラウム 私はこの狂気を、絵空事を現実にする。
    その現実に、人類の救済を行わせる。
    魔神ラウム そうだ。
    我々はもっと早くに気がつくべきだった。
    魔神ラウム 我々では不可能なのだ。この宇宙では不可能なのだ。
    であれば
    魔神ラウム こちらの法則に縛られない異界の怪物。
    我らですら知り得なかった異常識。
    魔神ラウム 虚空からの降臨者フォーリナーの手で、
    人類を終わらせるのだと
    魔神ゼパル 愚かな。
    時間神殿での戦いは、我らの中から脱落者を生み出した。
    魔神ゼパル 魔神ラウム。今は無き統括局ゲーティアに代わって
    おまえに決を下す。
    魔神ゼパル “その妄想に滅びあれ。
    汝の解答は、一万四千年前に失敗した”と。
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    Not an answer.

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    Yeah, but it's such an interesting topic. I would love to see you elaborate and go a bit further. If you don't mind.
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    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

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    Ok, but is the inner universe of the solar system here refers to the fact that the universe of awareness only extends to solar system?

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