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[Petrikow]

Correct.

[Jesse1089]

Correct.

So they are the same...just with a different name...

[Petrikow]

The Grail Vessel contains souls, because its a vessel. Once it's adequately mature, the vessel assumes its role as the Holy Grail (Lesser). What else is there to know?

[Jesse1089]

The Grail Vessel contains souls, because its a vessel. Once it's adequately mature, the vessel assumes its role as the Holy Grail (Lesser). What else is there to know?

So "Lesser Grail" is the name of the role that the vessel has/recieves when it is mature and ready to begin the ritual...

Are there physical changes in this when this maturation process has been reached? I know Iri turns into a cup... but Illya seems to keep her human form intact...

[Petrikow]

The Lesser Grail can do things that the Vessels can not, hence the need for a distinction.

[Jesse1089]

The Lesser Grail can do things that the Vessels can not, hence the need for a distinction.

The Grail Vessel serves to contain the souls, when it completes its maturation process it becomes the Lesser Grail, then the latter establishes the connection with the Greater Grail...

Are there physical changes in this when this maturation process has been reached? I know Iri turns into a cup... but Illya seems to keep her human form intact...

[Petrikow]

Sorry, you've ran out of Petrikow question points, try again tomorrow.

[You]

The Grail Vessel serves to contain the souls, when it completes its maturation process it becomes the Lesser Grail, then the latter establishes the connection with the Greater Grail...

Are there physical changes in this when this maturation process has been reached? I know Iri turns into a cup... but Illya seems to keep her human form intact...

"Well, I'll make fun of you later. Seriously, do you know where Shirou is? I was thinking about asking for his help since Ilya's fever seems to be rising."
"Ilyasviel…? Did she not recover?"


"…No. I didn't tell Shirou, but she's almost at her limit. She won't be back to normal until the ritual of the Holy Grail War ends. Her capacity is extraordinary, but it's still filling up.
There's still a bit of capacity left, so unimportant functions are still working. But once it's full, she will have to discard her least important function, which is her ability to be human. Ilyasviel is made to break down more and more as the Holy Grail War progresses."
Rin speaks annoyingly, but Saber does not understand what she is trying to say.

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[Jesse1089]

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So when the vessel completes its process and becomes the lesser grail, the former loses its human capabilities completely?

Damn!...I didn't really remember that part...

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

That was a huge part of Zero's conflict and how Kerry justified his cheating on Irisviel.

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Like no matter what, she wasn't making it as a human.

[Takashi]

Was it ever stated that Avalon is outside time or time doesn't pass in avalon?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Avalon is outside the human order and any pruning or timelines, but it isn't outside time.

[Red Dingo]

But if he had to take advantage of the incineration to leave, then he doesn't seem particularly free to leave in normal times.

It makes it sound like he can just leave the tower if he chooses.

I think Independent Manifestation makes it possible for him to take the form of a Servant anytime there is a summoning. He just tends not to because lulz and he prefers voyeurism to actually interceding past his legend.

[Takashi]

Avalon is outside the human order and any pruning or timelines, but it isn't outside time.

I don't mean it's outside time like root. Just that time is stopped or time simply doesn't flow on that texture.
Like how in imaginary number space concept of time is different

[OnesFleetingGlory]

It is stated that day and night exist in Avalon, so time does pass. Not sure about the mechanism behind it.

It is the final paradise, filled with flowers of every imaginable color.
In the day, it's filled with the spring sunlight and the scent of summer, and at night, you feel the fall air and look up at the winter stars.
The earth is filled with flowers and insects. The forests with water and green and beasts.
Beautiful fairies dance near the waterside.
In the myths, this tiny little world is called the Land of Eternal Spring, or the Island of the Apple.
It is a utopia, far beyond the reach of animals who possess wisdom.

[Takashi]

It is stated that day and night exist in Avalon, so time does pass. Not sure about the mechanism behind it.

But it seems seasons doesn't pass there. Weird

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I don't mean it's outside time like root. Just that time is stopped or time simply doesn't flow on that texture.
Like how in imaginary number space concept of time is different

Even then, I don't think time flows differently at all, but it exists no matter the era.

[Skull]

From Brynhildr's F/GO Profile:

"Although Siegfried and Sigurd share similar origins, they are two different existences."

I need some help clarifying what this means. I had always (presumably falsely) assumed that Siegfried/Sigurd were like Charlemagne/Karl where you were just summoning a different version of the same guy, but I guess that's not really the case here then?

[Comun]

They're two guys roughly from the same era who killed the same kind of dragon, but that's as far as the similarities go. They're from different countries, lived different lives, and have different personalities.

[Skull]

They're two guys roughly from the same era who killed the same kind of dragon, but that's as far as the similarities go. They're from different countries, lived different lives, and have different personalities.

Huh, okay. I can kinda buy that...although that does then raise a lot of further questions. Particularly if that means Gunther somehow died twice at the court of Atilla the Hun.

I guess you're not supposed to think about it too hard.