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    Why is Od Vena in LB6 if Albion didn't die underground so its circuits couldn't fuse with the earth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    Why is Od Vena in LB6 if Albion didn't die underground so its circuits couldn't fuse with the earth?
    That's a good question.
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    You have to remember in LB6, the Od Vena crisscrosses through the entire fairy kingdom whereas in PHH its just part of Albion. Furthermore the land in LB6 isn't the original Britain but made of dead faeries.
    IMO Od Vena is just the same name given to the two similar concepts, dragon's circuits fusing with the earth's circuits, dead faeries becoming the earth - both holes to the Inner Sea.
    They are not the same structure.
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryIdjit View Post
    It's really dumb how the Clock Tower made self-defense class mandatory so that the students would be able to fight off Magi hunters, who work in the interests of the Clock Tower most of the time because they hunt rogue magi.

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    Just checking, but what exactly is the difference between Ether and mana? Can anyone confirm or deny this?
    My understanding is Ether is a component of mana. And in combination with the other 4 elements provided the correct ratio you get mana. But Ether is more fundamental than mana and Od since it's a one of the 5 elements.
    I guess the difference is akin to atoms and molecules.

    Would that be correct?
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    Mana is what it becomes once it's processed, I guess?

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    Like there's a middle step between it being ether and it properly becoming prana in the circuit?

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    For example, Prelati's Spellbook or Rin's jewels are 'mana reserves' . They had to stop being Ether at some point to be useable, but they're not Od either.

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    Note that 'prana' is not actually a proper term and both Od and Mana are just kinds of 魔力 which is also what's in a circuit, but you know what I mean.

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    I thought mana and Od were the unprocessed versions of magical energy (魔力). While Ether is the most fundamental particle making up mana and Od and it's omnipresent in the world, only of a lesser density and quality in the current world.
    The reason I think this is because I don't think mana is ever stated to be one of the 5 elements, only Ether.
    So there has to be some meaningful difference between the two other than both being terms used interchangeable.
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    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

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    Od is the lesser source within your body. Mana is the greater source in the atmosphere.
    Ether is the artificial mana that exists since 20 AD.
    "True ether" is the mana that existed on Earth before 0 AD.

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    So the division between inside and outside of a being used to not exist? That's pretty interesting. Kind of points to Alaya trying to fuel its own stuff separate of the rest. Also something something the egg flies to god the god's name is Abraxas yadda yadda

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    Like, Mana and Od are qualitatively different, with distinct subtypes like Chi, which can't exist as Mana. And while circuits generate Od, you can use them to channel mana if you need a lot of juice. You can't tell me that the Magecraft system and forcing people to use Circuits also created all that and it didn't exist before, when it has its own bunch of mysteries tied to it.

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    I always took qi and kami and such to be culturally specific names for Od.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    I always took qi and kami and such to be culturally specific names for Od.
    “kami” is a term for life energy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    I always took qi and kami and such to be culturally specific names for Od.
    Quote Originally Posted by BladeOfEden View Post
    “kami” is a term for life energy?
    "You mean 'breathing' breathing? What's so special about it if it's ideal?"


    "It will affect your physical ability as well as your interaction with nature. Western magi do not hold this technique in high regard, but Eastern teachings treat breathing and walking as superior abilities that cannot be taught."

    "The ibuki, taking in outside air, is a clear image of connecting the outside world and your inner body. I have heard that to breathe in is to take in God, and to breathe out is to release God.
    This 'right way to breathe' is a secret technique in every school, and one can expect only about one student per generation to be able to acquire it."
    - Breath of the Planet: C
    A fundamental ability of the A-Ray (Known as A-Reis in a Lostbelt) True Species. Though it seems as if she's simply taking a deep breath to psych herself up, she's actually absorbing mana from her surroundings. The generation of internal magical energy and performance increase is comparable to a dragon core.
    Life energy yes, but not limited to Od.

    In the AOG, the mana was True Ether. True Ether is one of the building blocks of a Divine Spirit. So it makes sense that back in the day, taking in mana = taking in a god.
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryIdjit View Post
    It's really dumb how the Clock Tower made self-defense class mandatory so that the students would be able to fight off Magi hunters, who work in the interests of the Clock Tower most of the time because they hunt rogue magi.

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    That just makes the Magecraft system sound even more like a direct dichotomy between previously being a part of the singular system, and now being a copycat who manufactures their own fuel. Od would just be Alaya Juju.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    I always took qi and kami and such to be culturally specific names for Od.
    Same tbh
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    Leo :: Increased spiritual power to the soul…? You mean willpower?

    Rani :: Yes. Vitality, or survival instinct. Dan t'ian, in Chinese thinking. In India, kundalini.

    Rin :: Right, spiritual power, dan ti'an, and kundalini. Survival instinct is more desire to leave behind descendent and…Rani, what are you trying to say!?

    Rani :: Did I say something strange? Prana is the foundation of the actions of living beings, and stimulating the chakras is…
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    Punching out some nerd doesn't make you a better magus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    It's mentioned somewhere (I think) that VH wasn't complete by the fourth war and it was only with Reines and Waver that it was finished.
    Is this true?

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    I’m not sure if Volumen Hydrargyrum was unfinished, but we do know Trimmau was unfinished. It’s Waver’s additions that made it a an autonomous maid, but I don’t remember/think if Trimmau was Kayneth’s intention for VH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    I’m not sure if Volumen Hydrargyrum was unfinished, but we do know Trimmau was unfinished. It’s Waver’s additions that made it a an autonomous maid, but I don’t remember/think if Trimmau was Kayneth’s intention for VH.
    Interesting, thank you.

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    What exactly are kitsune? Are they Elementals or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsugumi View Post
    What exactly are kitsune? Are they Elementals or something?
    Kitsune is japanese for fox. . . If you mean the supernatural foxes in Japanese folklore, there might some that are Elementals but there also could be others than are just dead fox spirits.
    In Lost Einherjar, we're introduced to trolls which are leftover giants/Jötunn in a symbiotic relationship with Elementals and nature spirits that can longer materialize. You can possibly apply this to some japanese folklore foxes too.
    Either way, what you've described as kitsune is not a monolithic category. It's like asking what a vampire is, there are tons of different types of vampires.
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryIdjit View Post
    It's really dumb how the Clock Tower made self-defense class mandatory so that the students would be able to fight off Magi hunters, who work in the interests of the Clock Tower most of the time because they hunt rogue magi.

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    Disclaimer: those kitsune will never be any relevant unless they’re derived from Amaterasu no matter through how many layers of “piece of a piece of a piece”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Kitsune is japanese for fox. . . If you mean the supernatural foxes in Japanese folklore, there might some that are Elementals but there also could be others than are just dead fox spirits.
    In Lost Einherjar, we're introduced to trolls which are leftover giants/Jötunn in a symbiotic relationship with Elementals and nature spirits that can longer materialize. You can possibly apply this to some japanese folklore foxes too.
    Either way, what you've described as kitsune is not a monolithic category. It's like asking what a vampire is, there are tons of different types of vampires.
    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    Disclaimer: those kitsune will never be any relevant unless they’re derived from Amaterasu no matter through how many layers of “piece of a piece of a piece”.
    I see. I really do need to read Lost Einherjar. Any guesses on what kind of kitsune are the ones in the folktales where they pose as human women, start families, are discovered in some manner or another, and run away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    Disclaimer: those kitsune will never be any relevant unless they’re derived from Amaterasu no matter through how many layers of “piece of a piece of a piece”.
    Seimei's mom was a fox spirit, wasn't she? I wonder how they're gonna explain that one if it isn't already.



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