True, but with the Nibelungenlied in mind, I'm sure most in the know would think twice before taking it, unless they didn't believe in curses.Originally Posted by SpoonyViking
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Actually, that seems pretty logical. People can be stupid.
To be fair, the curse is something useful for magecraft.
The grail probably needs something like the Rhinegold to function at all. It's something that brings heroes, and something that has power over the world.
If you want to make something that brings servants (heroes) you need something that well, brings heroes. Round Table, the Argo, maybe a picture of Helen or a piece of the walls of Troy so on.
Otherwise the two hints of "Rhinegold" and being "Real Homunculi" mentioned in F/HA unlike any others, I'd say hints to their history quite well. There's a lot of speculation to be had.
FWIW, the cursed "Das Rheingold" treasure is from Richard Wagner's opera Der Ring des Nibelungen and not the poem Nibelungenlied.
Carry on.
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einzberns probably paid wagner to spread disinfo about it. opsec 101.
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
Maybe, or they paid Ludwig to pay Wagner.
Imagine the irony of Wagner getting paid in Rhinegold.
Yeah, but I think it'd make more sense that Mad King Ludwig was paid in Rhinegold, considering how his life ended up. That's a Rhinegold fate right there.
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Wait, but if the Rhinegold is probably what's responsible for all the Grail Wars going pear-shaped, then how did that not happen in the FGO timeline, unless Marisbury not using it to achieve the Third Magic counts as an effect of the curse on the Einzberns.
The cursed gold was present in Norse version of the story though.
True, and I think that might be where Wagner got it from.
The original Norse legends had Andvari's cursed gold but the term Rheingold, and association with the Rhine river and Rhinemaidens, were I'm pretty sure inventions of Wagner inspired by Andvari's gold.
In Nasuland Siegfried had the Rheingold and Sigurd did not.
Wait, so Sigurd did not get Andvari's hoard after killing his Fafnir?
FZ AU where Kerry's Servant is Siegfried summoned using the gold as a catalyst
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He may have, I'm not sure, but if he did it was not the Rheingold. The Rheingold is inspired by Andvari's gold but not the same thing, in the same way Siegfried's story is inspired by Sigurd's but there are several differences.
Ah, of course.
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Lol. Siegfried would be a near perfect Servant for Kerry, though the latter might be unnerved that he has two Maiyas. Also, the gold would screw him over double time. Dude's already unlucky af.
Just to clarify here
In the Norse myths Andvari's gold was gold that he found by using his ring Andvaranaut. After they were stolen from him by Loki, Andvari cursed the ring to bring misfortune to whoever held it.
In Wagner's operas the Rheingold is located on the riverbed of the Rhine and watched over by the Rhinemaiden river spirits. The dwarf Alberich steals it and makes part of it into a ring, then later curses it when Wotan (Odin) takes it from him.
In both cases the gods took the gold to pay Fafnir a ransom when he was holding other gods captive. In myth Fafnir was a dwarf, and in Wagner he was a giant. In both he then turns into a dragon to protect the treasure.
Obvious inspiration but not exactly the same.
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Was Camlann 10 or 20 years after Saber pulled out Caliburn? Is she 25 or 35? I've never been clear and am pretty sure I've seen both be talked about.
I always thought it was 10, but who knows? 20'd make more sense timeline-wise, if we're talking Arthurian canon.
you answered your own question
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I mean the GO war looks like it went pretty pear-shaped to me. The whole city was on fire.
10 years to kill Vort
10 years of rule
Saber is 35
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
But if the Rhinegold exists, then Siegfried has to be real, which we're led to believe he wasn't. Two guys having life stories this similar is funny, but you can only kill Fafnir once.
Unless the Rhinegold was the gold Sigurd retrieved, which then retroactively became cursed thanks to Wagner.
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