Just affecting his magic circuits? Does Roa not do more than that in his reincarnation process?Originally Posted by Dullahan
Just affecting his magic circuits? Does Roa not do more than that in his reincarnation process?
I know it's not accurate, but I like to think of him as her Shiki-gami
Now that I think about, that pun could be intentional.
"So what comes first, the soul or the body?"
is there a religious "background theory" for Reality Marbles, in the sense that they are manifestations of the true essence of someone's soul in the physical realm?
i have some personal ideas but i would like to hear from others.
All the problems that no one can deal with or solve are handed to the place called the Burial Agency.
There, she was taught what happened to her.
"...... In short, she was a contradiction.
She was a human born as Roa. Even though the personality of her first fifteen years was hers, the name of her soul was Roa.
While she was herself, she was also Roa.
So, it is a contradiction if the girl called Roa is dead when Roa is alive.
The progeny of the existence Roa...... this daughter of Roa cannot die before him.
"Whenever this world has even a slight error, this world corrects it to preserve itself.
So--that child, as long as Roa's soul still exists, will exist for all eternity. No one else but the world itself "fixes" the error automatically.Seems like he beams a copy of his soul into the embryo before the baby gets a soul. Then, the baby is born with the soul "Roa," but the Mind and Body of Person X. When his current body dies, he reincarnates into him or her."Reincarnation---you mean if he dies he will start over as a baby?"
"Yes. While he is alive, he chooses his next host and when it is born, he transmits all the information of his 'self'.
His information stays deep within the baby until it matures, or until it gains its intelligence as its own.
As soon as that baby has the intelligence to succeed 'his self', the baby becomes a new vampire that is him."
"---Wait a minute. What's that? Don't tell me that he does surgery on it while it's in the mother or something like that."
"No, it's not anything medical. Because the instant his body is destroyed, he reincarnates into the body he chose as his next body.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
? I don't understand, are you asking for similar ideas in RL religions?
It's based on the microcosm and its foundation is in world eggs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrocosm_and_microcosm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_egg
Reality marble is also a subcategory of Marble Phantasm, which in turn is based on the clustering illusion bias.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I think Roa's consciousness/will leaves the body and for some reason that part holds the vampirism. What's left is the primer (the information/soul Roa put into the baby). But the primer is still a soul called "Roa," it just doesn't have an vamp.
Last edited by You; January 5th, 2021 at 06:45 AM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
where would I be without you mate? many thanks
The real question is how Ciel lived and not the other Roas. She's just a fluke, right?
I'm not sure I'm seeing the connection between the clustering illusion and marble phantasms.
From Colorful MOON Tsukihime.① First, let’s clear up the meaning of “marble.” It can mean “marble” as in “a marble floor” or “a marble pillar.” It can also mean “marble” as in a small glass ball. Let’s leave it at this for now.② Next, let’s clear up the meaning of “clustering illusion.” When you search for this term along with the word “probability” you can find an example about a jar which is filled with marbles of two colors, white and black. After you fill the jar and mix up the marbles inside, instead of the marbles appearing like a chess board, with the colors equally and evenly mixed together in a checker pattern, you will notice clumps of white marbles and clumps of black marbles here and there in the jar. These clumps, which seem non-random, despite actually being randomly distributed, are the clustering illusion.
③ From the above explanation you can see that the term marble comes from marble in the glass ball sense, not the marble floor sense of the word.
④ Even in a situation where you have half black marbles and half white ones and you mix them up, “logically” you assume that the white and black should be evenly mixed since there are equal amounts, but when you check the result you don’t see an even mix, you see clumps and groups in the pattern. This is precisely where clustering illusion comes in, and the result of a series of random coincidences may seem as though it was purposefully realized by someone, despite it actually being a natural phenomenon1. So when probability itself is being interfered with, one might understand that materializing Brunstud Castle might not be so implausible (through a perfect series of “natural” and “random” coincidences brought about by the reality marble or marble phantasm).
Accordingly, when the world is connected with a marble phantasm or reality marble, probability is interfered with, and a series of phenomena, which could only ever be considered to be random coincidences, is deliberately generated.
Ah, thanks. I only vaguely remembered that text, and actually thought he had just said something along the lines of "It's called marble phantasm because if you pick a marble from a bag it'll always be the color you want it to be instead of random".
No official answer on that, but I just pointed out Roa reincarnated in in SHIKI when he was 9, and You sent a quote claiming Ciel was born as Roa, so if I were to take a guess, I'd say the reason why Ciel is special is because she has never been anyone other than Roa.
I'm reasonably certain that the Third represents the apex of western occult practice, the way that Nasu studied it, which is just hermeticism and gnosticism. Basically all the cool things that the ezo goth girls tell you you are supposed to be able to do, boil down to materializing a soul. Making a dead spirit speak in a seance is materializing a soul. Sending a curse on Stacy's tits is materializing a soul. Bending spoons with your mind is materializing a soul. Sacrificing a cat to Uranus is materializing a soul. Summoning an incubus into your bedroom is materializing a soul. You have to understand that the entire premise of gnosticism is that the world is inherently understandable and subject to rules, which is also a very western idea that contrasts Nasu's usual fare.
In magecraft as well, there are no metaphysics, they're just physics that are not commonly understood. Ether clumps, dimensions, and a soul is well is something measurable and mutable, just like matter, and with the correct process you can bring it down to our layer of reality to work with it more easily.
This 'pneuma' thing obviously goes sharply against catholic/orthodox conception of what a soul is to the point that we're talking about something completely different. That's also why digitizing souls in CCC can remotely pass as displacing the Third, even though your western brain has trouble wrapping your head around it because you understand 'soul' as something else.
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I'm being very reasonable about this, don't get me started on hermaphrodits and stuff
I mean from my readings of alchemy books it feels more like becoming gods or achieving something similar to enlightenment.
Also hemaprodites come up a lot yeah
Fair point. I do find it strange that Nasu seems to try to place the two traditions side-by-side, even if they are incompatible if real.
I always assumed it was cuz Ciel was this magical supertalent to the point that Roa decided to change his MO and focus on innate talent over social standing
And then he went back to social standing for the next incarnation. Though I guess that was meant to show how he lost pieces of himself with every "reincarnation"?
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