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かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
He explicitly didn't have Circuits. Kirei being born with them was considered a miracle granted by god to his family.Originally Posted by Petrikow
"This is Kirei, he's entering the Mages Association today."
"I thought you Church guys didn't do magecraft?"
"Oh, no, no worries. He was, uh, granted circuits by God."
magi are heretics because they work miracles which only saints are supposed to do. that's bad. but saints work miracles because they're allowed to do so by god. that's good. being part of the church and working miracles means you must be allowed to by god. that's good. therefore a churchman cannot be a magus even if he works miracles.
- St. Thomas Aquinas, probably
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
i like to look at the moonruners doing group hermeneutics
it's very humbling
Call me 想φαγω.
Spoiler:
*glances at necromancy in bible*
*glances at several catholic saints who did magic that wasnt christan before or after there saint shit*
You know the whole thing bout kirei reminds me of how AOG magic works in modern nasu, the whole granted a fragment of power to use AOG stuff or w/e
Ya, this is basically it.
The Circuits are all the same. If your spells are Jesus-based, you are alright. You are only a heretic if your spells are not Jesus-based.
Also this about Risei and Kirei from a long time ago:
Q: Kirei's wife Ortensia is covered with wounds in the design draft, is it because she has a body similar to Caren's? Also, Command Spells appeared on Kirei due to the fact that he somehow possessed Magic Circuits despite being born in a non-magus lineage. Does this mean Caren also has Magic Circuits?
A: Kirei's wife is an albino (Note: wut, yellow-eyed-violet-haired-albino?), and is immune deficient. As a result, she can die from even a tiny wound, thus her body appears tattered. What Caren inherited is the aspect of "prone to be plagued by illnesses" (Note: There seems to be some sort of allusion here, because the word used for illnesses is "demon of disease"). This is truly an ordeal given by God.
About the Magic Circuits, a normal person rarely acquires Magic Circuits. You can consider such cases sudden mutations. However, Kirei is not of this type. Kirei's Circuits were a gift from the divine sacrament, rewarding his father Risei's years of pious worship. Kirei was born with "the right to recreate the miracles in the divine sacrament". This "right", in other words, was the Magic Circuits. Caren did not inherit the Circuits.
Something I've always loved about this answer is how little it tells us.
The Master never misses.
By the way, just so we don't get side-tracked:
「そうよ。まずは腕を切り落として、それから令呪を私のマスターに移植する けれど令呪は所有者の魔術回路と一体化しているでしょう？ 令呪を剥がす、という事は貴方からを引き抜く、という事でもあるわ」しんけい魔術回路
Paraphrased: "but Command Spells are fused with the holder's Magic Circuits..."
So it'd be a bit odd for Risei to have Command Spells without something for them to fuse with, let alone for him to be able to transplant them and use them.
Maybe they taped them onto his ordinary nervous system instead? Or maybe they transplanted them onto him from someone else who had Circuits?
Still, not sure you can rule out that he had Circuits (unless I've completely missed something from Zero, which is possible). The quote in question (posted above) never says that Risei didn't have them only that the process by which Kotomine got them wasn't the normal process. If Caren didn't inherit Kotomine's Circuits, maybe the Sacrament type of Circuits requires 'steady upkeep (from the family)', so to speak, in terms of piety.
Araya explains it later in the chapter.
He is looking for people with different manifestations of the "Void" Origin. He is looking for these people not for the Origin, but as a way of finding someone actually born from the Spiral of Origin/"Kara".
Having the Void Origin does not grant you root powers. However, those born from the root may appear to have the Void Origin.
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It would make a lot of sense this way though.
Who would be the most trust-worthy neutral party to hold a massive amount miracles?
Literally someone who is incapable of using them.
The question still remains if you can put them on people who don't have Circuits at all.
Even 'literal who' Ryuunosuke had to have Circuits to get selected as a Master.
I mean apparently the magic skull np can be used without circuits
Kayneth outright says there seperate after his wife tells him to give them to her after Kiritsugu tore apart his magic circuits
And we know he's not just bluffing as he uses one later to make Diarmuid commit suicide“The Command Spells—I’m not handing them over.” Kayneth
declared plainly. “Command Spells and Magic Circuits are
different systems of magecraft. I can still exercise it now. I … Right
now, I am still Lancer’s Master!”
The term different systems of magecraft is interesting ngl
He says they're different systems, that doesn't mean they are separate. And if you wanna argue source primacy, obviously F/SN is the more canon work, so what are you trying to say here.
We know Crest can be extracted and stored separately by the Association.
Command Spells are basically high level Crests.
I don't think you need Circuits to have it. It is just once it weaves into your Circuits, it is hard to extract.
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Also, you can sort of turn it into a book format.
Q: How was the book (Tome of the False Attendant) that Shinji was using as a Command Spell created? Was Sakura’s Command Seal transplanted into a grimoire? Or did Sakura use her Command Spell to order Rider to obey his orders while he held the book? It’s just, since it was Shinji’s mark of authority, I was wondering why the book burst into flames after Rider’s death.
A: As a book originally created for use in magical contracts anyway, the Tome of the False Attendant was adapted to serve as a Command Spell. The authority of Rider’s Master was implanted into the book. Strictly speaking, the power binding Rider lies in the Command Spell written in the book, not the book itself.
Recalling Rin's explanation from UBW anime, maybe all humans do have circuit. It's still there, only that majority of them have become rudimentary and cannot be used for Magecraft, Command Spells still could stick on them just fine.
Thing is, Risei uses Sacraments and Prayers and shit, and these are just Church-flavored spells. Did God just descend and cast them for him?
Can you source where you mean this to be? Because I looked at all occurrences of both 虚無 and 起源 in that book, both before and after the passage I originally posted, and there's nothing like that as far as I can see. There's Araya talking about Tomoe's origin being "worthlessness", talking to Ryougi about hers, and about how he prepared the sacrifices of the same kind (the thing I posted), talking about his own origin being stillness, reaching the "origin" of the APEX SPECIES, and a general "those awakened by their origin are dominated by it" and then some additional meandering when he dies out slowly.
So if you could post the passage you're thinking of, that'd be real helpful.
He says it in the context that he can use one without the other, it's pretty clear what is meant.
And seriously you're arguing canonity of Fate/Zero? Usually newere information is considered more canon than the preceeding one, unless it's explicitly not meant to be canon like Strange Fake.
I dont remember anything like that. Can you point to any instance where he was shown or said to use them? Even his entry in the Fate Zero Materials talks about how he has no magecraft training or knowledge of 'killing arts' that would let him deal with things like Dead Apostles like his son. Even his great skill in martial arts is said to be only at human levels, so he cant perform superhuman magical feats like Kirei.
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