I would guess it was still set up by Zolgen, Justeaze, and Nagato, but for some reason was never activated until 2004. Just me guessing though.
I would guess it was still set up by Zolgen, Justeaze, and Nagato, but for some reason was never activated until 2004. Just me guessing though.
I thought that was the prevailing consensus.
Originally Posted by Deathhappens
Well thanks to Apo, we know that basically any random mage can set up a grail war in 70 years or less as long as they know the basic blueprints.
Yeah, that, an army, a zeppelin, and some suckers to make a greater grail more than a hundred years before that which you use the first two to steal.
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Started Legend of the Galactic Heroes (14/07/23), pray for me.
Im talking about the "sub-species grail wars" which poped up in such great number and suckered so many, that every mage in Clocktower got a 2 rank promotion for not being dumb enough to participate in one.
The actual point being, thanks to Apo, grailwars are "easy" to setup. No 1000 year obsession needed, no need for fancy norse treasure. Just "materials" and time, the timeframe being less than 70 years
Weren't those wars on smaller scale too though? Like they summoned less than 7 Servants and their Grails never worked.
Well, copying others work is much easier than developing stuff on your own.
FsF is copying other's work. Apo is robbing other's house to steal their finished manuscript and then publishing it yourself later.
It probably is a matter of
1: how good is your spiritual land
2: how good is the base of your holy grail (Rhinegold, etc.)
For making a holy grail.
So really, the good holy grails would probably be made by some high up magus that's wanting to sponsor a holy grail for some spooky reason, or has some goal beyond magic or a get rich scheme to get past.
Wait, the Rhinegold was the base of the Holy Grail? I remember no such thing. I thought Justeaze's circuits were the foundation for the Grail?
Kirei said in FSN that the Einzberns owning the Rheingold is why they were good at making the Grail (Mirror Moon mistranslated it as "the golden rule of the line"). Though I never was quite sure if that meant it was literally made of Rheingold or what.
Huh, maybe having the magical treasure allowed them to develop super OP alchemy skills needed to actually make the Grail?
To be precise, Kotomine said on day 13 of Fate route that the Einzberns are experts in Rhinegold lore, and Siegfried confirmed that they have it in one of his FGO My Room lines (if don’t count Tiger Dojo Illya having Rhinegold as her NP in the Hanafuda game as confirmation, which no one did until Sumanai’s update).
Then came speculation that the Illya’s Dress of Heaven is the Rhinegold, or made of it, or the Greater Grail is made of Rhinegold or whatnot. The only thing everyone seems to agree on is that the Rhinegold’s curse is the reason why the Grail War always goes wrong.
Maybe the humans turned to gold by the dress of heaven are the Rheingold.
Of course the family run by a magical AI would think owning cursed gold is a good idea. Actually, I'm pretty sure only magi would take it without really foreseeing the consequences, even knowing that it's cursed.
the Rhinegold were all the friends the Einzbern made along the way... wait
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
A good deal of those friends seem super dead...
I mean most of the friends the Einzbern made were probably mass-produced models with in-build redundancy, of course they'd beby now.expireddead
Abstract: The reason why FGO is a 'halfway world' that has Tsukihime traits like FSF, is that Marshbully has come across the seven grands keeping a Beast in check like they do Primate Murder in Tsukihime, except this time it was somebody else working for Altrogue because Fou never became it. Maybe Goetia itself, which would be how he got his hands on a matching catalyst. Thus the FGO Fuyuki war was a direct copy of THAT summoning system, becoming very different than what we know from Fate, and summoning a Grand was possible at all.
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Maybe 'VII of the End', or Alien God, was the beast that the Grand Servants were keeping in check in the first place, it became able to act and influence the Crypters because it was briefly left alone, and all of FGO is the old man's great plan to ill it for good by taking it out of the context of its original timeline.
People in the Nibelungenlied already thought it was a good idea. Greed trumps self-preservation and all that.
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