Heracles is the son of a spaceship that can turn humanoid. It makes more sense for Berser-car to be his default state and the form we always see to be his transformation.
Heracles is the son of a spaceship that can turn humanoid. It makes more sense for Berser-car to be his default state and the form we always see to be his transformation.
More the son of a spaceship’s ghost turned into a SMT demon when you think about it.
But no, Bersercar is still a gag. Even Lu Bu who is quite more robotic as a character and presentation would still be a gag if he turned into a car.
or maybe they just need to unlock nen?
I thought so. Do you know where it's said though so I can back that up?Originally Posted by Reign
While she's waiting for her ride in Yuga Kshetra.
Then why do his normal Projections last for so long? Wouldn't they just fade quickly like Rin said?
Rin clearly says another magus wouldn't be able to do what he does (hinting at something else influencing it), and Shirou has UBW. Becoming proficient with it later doesn't mean he couldn't have been using it before earlier, since we know his knowledge is already flawed/incomplete from the beginning.
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Nvm, Heaven's Feel says this:
Guess it's UBW all the way down.
Right. Suppose I need to get on completing the chapter. I presume though that is what happened in that one ending with Tamamo in the moon cell?
And a auper duper fishing rod per HA. But it's Projection, not UBW.
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The Tamamo we know is something like a terminal for Amaterasu's full power, the more tails she gets the stronger the connection becomes until they become one and the same.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
Heaven's Feel says otherwise.
If earlier material is contradicted by the later, surely it's reasonable to rather believe the latter?
Haven't seen any later material being brought up here on this topic, everything relevant is in FSN. I've only brought up UBW and HF so far.
Didnt Clocktower 2015 give explicit instructions on what to do when the lore from one book contradicts another?
Heaven's Feel Shirou is Shirou post-Archer-fisting. He has access to Archer abilities.
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I tend to go by the opposite logic actually. Earlier material is more relevant since it's when the work was actually written and representative of the author's thoughts/mindset at the time of writing. Whereas later details (especially if they're from spinoffs or side-materials) can be just retcons or the author changing his mind/forgetting what he originally wrote.
For instance in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure part 4 it's explicitly stated that Rohan can't use Heaven's Door to view or rewrite his own memories, whereas in the spinoff Rohan At The Louvre (set earlier in his life) he does just that. Given the former context is where the character and his powers were originally conceptualized, I'm inclined to say (for the purpose of versus battles and the like, at least when it's not specified which "version" is being used) that's the "truest" representation of what he can do and the latter is more like a side-story that might not fit perfectly into canon.
Of course it can be more complicated since lore and ability details can even develop over the course of a single narrative (Araki is also guilty of this), but in general I'd say it depends on how prominent the early material is compared to the later. Chronology isn't the only relevant consideration.
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No actually, Louvre is set seven years after the events of DiU. Therefore it is possible to argue that since the Stand has a Development Potential of "A" that he could have achieved the power to control his own body in that time-span.
A better example for your point using Louvre would be that Rohan has Heaven's Door at all when he was seventeen despite the fact that he claims in DiU that it awakened when he was shot with the Stand Arrow just before the events of DiU when he was twenty.
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You're actually right there, thanks. I got confused since I read Louvre a while back but just remembered that it was set when Rohan was 17, forgetting how that particular scene took place afterwards in the present. I believe my general point still holds but that was a poor example.
I personally always go with later material taking precedence because what the author thought at the time of writing doesn't necessarily account for how they might view it differently in the future in light of other things they have written or said or developed.
Archer's abilities are Shirou's just extrapolated though. It's not even talking about the arm anyway in that excerpt.
Do we know if Abe no Seimei actually died in the Nasuverse or if he might still be alive in PHH somehow?
We know that Seimei's historically recorded death was in 1005 and that TM Seimei was still alive in the early 1100s (Tamamo's death).
The Heian Singularity is set in 1008 and when Fujimaru mentions that Seimei was supposed to have died 3 years before, Kintoki has absolutely no idea where that idea came from.
So Seimerlin theory lives on I guess. Hope we get to see him at least one day.
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