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[DezoPenguin]

You think of fate in perspective, but this is some kind of Nasuversian concept that actually exists.

So, tl;dr, there's literally a metaphysical force referred to as "fate" that exists in the 'Verse, and we human beings of modern days lack the necessary awesome to do jack about it on our own, ergo, there can be no modern Heroic Spirits without, as Emiya did, cheating.

I actually follow this. Cool; in two days you BL folks have pretty much cleared up something that's been bugging me for 3-4 years now. Score one for the decision to join!

New question: What's the cutoff for "modern"? Jack the Ripper made it into Apocrypha, but as a corrupted/villainous figure she'd presumably be subject to different rules...

[terraablaze]

Generally around 1900. And then there was Armstrong.

[food]

Generally around 1900. And then there was Armstrong.

That's Moon Cell record.

The "1900 clause" is Throne record.

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So, tl;dr, there's literally a metaphysical force referred to as "fate" that exists in the 'Verse, and we human beings of modern days lack the necessary awesome to do jack about it on our own, ergo, there can be no modern Heroic Spirits without, as Emiya did, cheating.

I actually follow this. Cool; in two days you BL folks have pretty much cleared up something that's been bugging me for 3-4 years now. Score one for the decision to join!

New question: What's the cutoff for "modern"? Jack the Ripper made it into Apocrypha, but as a corrupted/villainous figure she'd presumably be subject to different rules...

Apocrypha is fanfic.

[Crown]

Apocrypha is fanfic.

A really average fanfic yet you see people drooling over it.

[Mcjon01]

Because it's so Shounen. I bet if they comicalize it, it would run in Jump, that's how Shounen it is.

[Bittersweet]

Why is a sword that shoots a beam a Noble Phantasm, but a rifle that shoots a beam is just a rifle?

[terraablaze]

Because beam rifles are everywhere in 40k. How often do you see beam swords? Maybe there will be one in some of the Zelda games.

[Bittersweet]

Since when is Warhammer part of the Nasuverse? Terra pls go.

[Kelnish]

Why is a sword that shoots a beam a Noble Phantasm, but a rifle that shoots a beam is just a rifle?

Who said it was just a rifle? It's a conceptual weapon, home slice. And a beam sword can be something other than a noble phantasm too!

[Bittersweet]

I'm talking hypothetically here, this isn't directly a part of your previous conversation! :<

[Mcjon01]

Why is a sword that shoots a beam a Noble Phantasm, but a rifle that shoots a beam is just a rifle?

Because beam guns democratize the ability to shoot things with beams and make it less special. Gun control programs are actually a mage-financed government plot to make mankind start generating hero units again.

[Kelnish]

I'm talking hypothetically here, this isn't directly a part of your previous conversation! :<

Well, there are no beam guns. That's why. Just like there are no beam crossbows. And no beam nun-chucks. What a silly question.

[Bittersweet]

Well, there are no beam guns. That's why. Just like there are no beam crossbows. And no beam nun-chucks. What a silly question.

There are no beam swords, either! >:|

[Kelnish]

There are no beam swords, either! >:|

You're the one who is claiming that not only are they a thing, but they are also noble phantasms!

[Kyte]

Because beam rifles are everywhere in 40k. How often do you see beam swords? Maybe there will be one in some of the Zelda games.

Gundam

[Bittersweet]

You're the one who is claiming that not only are they a thing, but they are also noble phantasms!

Kelnish it's time for you to go.

I'm sorry, but you have to go.

[food]

Why is a sword that shoots a beam a Noble Phantasm, but a rifle that shoots a beam is just a rifle?

A Noble Phantasm recreates a Hero's feat. Without a Hero to power the beam sword, it can't shoot the devastating beam of the legend.

Anyone who sits through a $199 course offered at DeVry Institute can fire a beam rifle, thus its just a regular weapon, like a kitchen knife.

[Bittersweet]

There are currently no "beam rifles" though. The closest things to directed energy weapons that we have are the size of a large telescope and can only burn holes in metal shielding, not chop the tops of mountains off. If a rifle sized weapon could do that, it would be international news-worthy.

[food]

There are currently no "beam rifles" though. The closest things to directed energy weapons that we have are the size of a large telescope and can only burn holes in metal shielding, not chop the tops of mountains off. If a rifle sized weapon could do that, it would be international news-worthy.

Then there you go. Rifle becomes a famed Heroic Spirit, greatest weapon of this era.

Not Noble Phantasm.

[Bittersweet]

Then there you go. Rifle becomes a famed Heroic Spirit, greatest weapon of this era.

Not Noble Phantasm.

What if it was funded and weilded by Donald Trump, already a household name, and he made sure to never let the weapon get more news time than himself?