Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS)

[Sesto]

In the past, Masters who summoned Berserker couldn't control their rampaging Servants, and destroyed themselves by running out of magical energy.
No exceptions.

i mean that doesn't answer my question, it just says that the other fuyuki grail war masters couldn't control their berserkers. we've had plenty of relatively sane berserker's since then that would be completely controllable under certain circumstances

[Mcjon01]

i mean that doesn't answer my question, it just says that the other fuyuki grail war masters couldn't control their berserkers. we've had plenty of relatively sane berserker's since then that would be completely controllable under certain circumstances

Oh, well, to answer your specific question no you couldn't enjoy your tea with Berserker Vlad because he would definitely drug you and suck your blood.

[mewarmo990]

Oops a typo, I meant off

I get that Ilya as a master is bloody brilliant, but is turning it on and off something only she can do or could others as well if they would have enough mana? (not many people that can I'm sure)

Once a Berserker gets going it starts draining you like crazy. For an average magus, they would probably run out and die very quickly. And since it's a Berserker, you can't stop it except with a Command Spell.

Now imagine trying to control a Berserker over the course of a war lasting several weeks.

Mad Enhancement like other Class Skills is always functioning but if the mana supply is very weak then a Servant is greatly weakened overall.

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i feel like this is answered somewhere, but are berserkers naturally draining

All Servants are "naturally draining" and Berserkers do it more.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

i mean that doesn't answer my question, it just says that the other fuyuki grail war masters couldn't control their berserkers. we've had plenty of relatively sane berserker's since then that would be completely controllable under certain circumstances

Yeah the point is it says that boosting the Servant as a Berserker is itself draining, no need to even talk about their battlefield issues.

[Zurvan]

Once a Berserker gets going it starts draining you like crazy. For an average magus, they would probably run out and die very quickly. And since it's a Berserker, you can't stop it except with a Command Spell.

Now imagine trying to control a Berserker over the course of a war lasting several weeks.

Mad Enhancement like other Class Skills is always functioning but if the mana supply is very weak then a Servant is greatly weakened overall.

I blame my poor phrasing, but what I'm trying to ask is whether or not other masters not Ilya could, if they have enough mana or are linked to the grail or something, increase/decrease the ME boost like Ilya is able to.
I understand that they are naturally more draining, I get that controlling your Berserker especially with high ranked ME is ungodly difficult and I know you need a shit ton and more to last several weeks with one.

Is it ever stated that Ilya is the sole person to be able to increase/decrease ME input? (or is output more correct?)

[Sesto]

kairi is capable of preventing mordred from materializing, couldn't a master of a berserker just prevent his berserker from materializing whenever he needed

or could a berserker force it

[Washada]

"It's like a clone made from their DNA.
The 'heroic spirit' that has complete abilities and memories of when it was alive will appear in this world and learn many things. But it is useless.

They have no way to return to the main body, but merely disappear.
So no matter how many times they are summoned into the same age, there will be no inconsistencies in their memories.

I assume the ones that became heroic spirits will not change anymore.
Even if they obtain new knowledge, the self that learns it will just disappear once the duty is complete."

This might be me not getting something important, but doesn't this contradict the part about information returning to the "main body" as knowledge? It just sounds like they disappear.

[Sesto]

well the "main body" already knows that knowledge because the throne is outside of time. they just wouldn't recall it because, well, the book of their existence post-death has millions of pages

[Arashi_Leonhart]

This might be me not getting something important, but doesn't this contradict the part about information returning to the "main body" as knowledge? Iy just sounds like they disappear.

They already had that knowledge being outside time.

It's just pointing out that, for instance, you get summoned and due to circumstances you learned, say, how to expertly play a tactical video game. Well, that's great, but when Iskandar is summoned again he's not going to be better at it than the last time he was present because he carried this "new" experience back. This isn't New Game+.

[Mcjon01]

"It's like a clone made from their DNA.
The 'heroic spirit' that has complete abilities and memories of when it was alive will appear in this world and learn many things. But it is useless.

They have no way to return to the main body, but merely disappear.
So no matter how many times they are summoned into the same age, there will be no inconsistencies in their memories.

I assume the ones that became heroic spirits will not change anymore.
Even if they obtain new knowledge, the self that learns it will just disappear once the duty is complete."

This might be me not getting something important, but doesn't this contradict the part about information returning to the "main body" as knowledge? It just sounds like they disappear.

It kind of sounds like Shiki's situation in KnK with her memories from before her coma, now that I think about it.

[Macduff05]

It's part of it, but it's not. For instance, the scene you put up said that had it been hooked up to Ilya, the same thing wouldn't have happened.

Interlude 3-0 explains how the two are compatible, but it has nothing to do with her negative emotions, it's that she was implanted with shards of the grail that were contaminated for years that is the reason.

So you're saying that Sakura's appetite would have grown to the point of devouring most of Fuyuki regardless of how
Shirou and Rin treated her?

[mewarmo990]

This might be me not getting something important, but doesn't this contradict the part about information returning to the "main body" as knowledge? It just sounds like they disappear.

All of the information relating to what the Heroic Spirit has done or will ever do is already in the Throne, because it has no relation to time.

So you don't need to worry about that. Instead, what the passage is saying is that anything that happens with say, Iskandar in Fate/Zero, is not going to directly update his Heroic Spirit in the throne.

[asterism42]

basically what i'm asking is could you have a cup of tea with your berserker vlad and not die

You'd die.

Because the cup of tea is you.

Because he'd eat you.

Because he's a vampire.

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Don't invite a vampire to dinner, is what I'm saying.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Does Azaka really have magic circuit? I thought her family is normal. Is she just another sudden mutation like Shirou?

[You]

Does Azaka really have magic circuit? I thought her family is normal. Is he just another sudden mutation like Shirou?

Although she had no talent as a magus (Magic Circuits), she was still able to learn ignition spells due to her inborn ability of triggering spontaneous combustion.

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[Wandering Swordwoman]

Aaaahhh I see... inborn ability to trigger spontaneous combustion

[You]

Aaaahhh I see... inborn ability to trigger spontaneous combustion

Spontaneous Combustion (Others)
The so-called unexplained phenomenon of human combustion.
It was the spell that Kokutou Azaka favoured. However, it was closer to ESP than magecraft. In terms of ESP, it would be called Pyrokinesis.
Spontaneous Combustion is a method of attack that causes the target to self-combust, rather than immolating the target directly.
There are many theories which explain Spontaneous Combustion, Azaka's Spontaneous Combustion can be explained by an amalgamation of the Charged Corpus Theory and the Electromagnetism Theory. The Charged Corpus Theory suggests that the human body produces electrical current during states of psychological arousal which causes Spontaneous Combustion, while the Electromagnetism Theory suggests that Spontaneous Combustion is a result of an increased release of electrons in the atmosphere.
All incantations used to activate Spontaneous Combustion were musical notes, since Azaka comprehended magecraft and combat through music.

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[Wandering Swordwoman]

Thank you for clarifying ^^

[Broke]

Azaka brolusted so much that it caused spontaneous combustion.

[Washada]

So I just finished Extra and I'm kind of confused.
How is the Moon Cell supposed to grant wishes? Kirei's technobabble didn't help me.
Also, what was that thing about SE.RA.PH taking form in the 7th round to eliminate Akuno? How was he/she a threat to the Moon Cell? Was it a preemptive strike because their Servant wouldn't bring herself to stop her Master if they did become a threat?