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[Shadow88]

I don't think there's any question about that. The metal has to solidify to attack or defend.

also lol that would be suicide for Kayneth

Yeah, I thought so. I just wasn't sure if that was the case or if it just worked on stupidly high water (or mercury) pressure.

[Laserman]

Speaking of the Holy Grail, why is Heaven's Feel the only route where Angra Manyu manifested as a Cthulu-esque creature and not mud like the other routes in FSN?

Because in this route Sakura activated as a Lesser Grail and it manifested through her as the Shadows to eat lifeforms.

You didn't go through Heaven's Feel did you?

[mewarmo990]

Well if Macduff05's asking why they manifested specifically in the form of cute sausage octopuses that Japanese mothers put in their kids' lunchboxes, then I don't know can only guess it's because Sakura picked it up from Shirou.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Yeah, I thought so. I just wasn't sure if that was the case or if it just worked on stupidly high water (or mercury) pressure.

It does operate on hydraulic pressure to change form and some of its whip-like attack measures, but doing things like full-on defense sword mountain solidifies it.

And it would all be moot to Servants, who swing with blows strong enough destroy terrain or shoot arrows that can mow down buildings, far superior to .30-06 bullets.

[mewarmo990]

And it would all be moot to Servants, who swing with blows strong enough destroy terrain or shoot arrows that can mow down buildings, far superior to .30-06 bullets.

If it were just that degree of physical force, then VH could defend against it. (see: the hotel bombing, and Olga Marie saying she can reinforce a shipping container to the level of a nuclear bomb shelter)

But Servants and their weapons are incomparably higher concepts than the T-1000.

[Shadow88]

It does operate on hydraulic pressure to change form and some of its whip-like attack measures, but doing things like full-on defense sword mountain solidifies it.

And it would all be moot to Servants, who swing with blows strong enough destroy terrain or shoot arrows that can mow down buildings, far superior to .30-06 bullets.

Yeah, although what I was picturing was it launching a whip attack at a human and a Servant pulling a Big Damn Heroes moment and deflecting it.

[mewarmo990]

Yeah, although what I was picturing was it launching a whip attack at a human and a Servant pulling a Big Damn Heroes moment and deflecting it.

That would be within the ability of most fighter Servants.

[Shadow88]

That would be within the ability of most fighter Servants.

Yeah, I think I just got caught up on the whole "it's liquid" bit.

[castor212]

If it were just that degree of physical force, then VH could defend against it. (see: the hotel bombing, and Olga Marie saying she can reinforce a shipping container to the level of a nuclear bomb shelter)

But Servants and their weapons are incomparably higher concepts than the T-1000.

question: it has enough concept to hurt servants right

[mewarmo990]

maybe? Story generally just treats this as "don't try it because it's suicide". And what if they have Magic Resistance?

I just read a scene where we go hunting for the treasure of the Temple Knights with Mary and Ann, and we find some magically protected wall that Roman tells Ann to shoot with her gun, because she's a Servant now and that should work.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

If it were just that degree of physical force, then VH could defend against it. (see: the hotel bombing,

Meh, surviving a fall and some stuff falling on top of you isn't the same as having some focused directed force at you. My point is that Servants still far and away have normal, not-even-NP-level stuff that could pierce it regardless.

[You]

And what if they have Magic Resistance?

Well Magic Resistance wouldn't come into play against moeblob's whips.

[NekoArcDragonhound]

maybe? Story generally just treats this as "don't try it because it's suicide". And what if they have Magic Resistance?

I just read a scene where we go hunting for the treasure of the Temple Knights with Mary and Ann, and we find some magically protected wall that Roman tells Ann to shoot with her gun, because she's a Servant now and that should work.

I thought Magic Resistance act more like a force-field around a servant to negate magecraft like they showed in UBW when Caster tried to blast Saber? So it can extend out?

[mewarmo990]

Well Magic Resistance wouldn't come into play against moeblob's whips.

ok I can see that

[You]

I thought Magic Resistance act more like a force-field around a servant to negate magecraft like they showed in UBW when Caster tried to blast Saber? So it can extend out?

that's not magic resistance.
That's you and/or your weapon having more mystery.

[Shadow88]

I always thought magic resistance would only work on actual spells. So you couldn't use a telekinesis-like spell on a Servant with Magic Resistance directly, but if you throw a car at them then Magic Resistance is going to do smeg-all once that car's operating under the normal laws of physics.

Granted; a car would also probably do smeg-all to a Servant anyway, but you get my point.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Yes. Same reason why Saber can't just tank Archer's projected weapons to the face, because they're not a spell, they're an object made from a spell.

[castor212]

weird passing thought: but if a fire spell is fired isnt the resulting fire was an object made from spell too

[You]

weird passing thought: but if a fire spell is fired isnt the resulting fire was an object made from spell too

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[NekoArcDragonhound]

weird passing thought: but if a fire spell is fired isnt the resulting fire was an object made from spell too

Technically yes.