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    Yeah, the World doesn't really affect Shirou's projections like that.

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    Did solomon created magic circuits or just magic circuit based magecraft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    Saber surviving GB was put down to Instinct + Luck.
    That's because Gae Bolg specifically calls for a Luck check, though

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    Instinct is essentially combat future sight so, like all time-traveling abilities, it fucks around with causality.
    If that was true, it wouldn't lead to Saber getting punk'd by Deermud.

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    Then y'all need to go back to the OG Fate lore.





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    Bro, I literally found you the Nasu interview where the man himself said UBW cannot project Divine Construct.
    I will post it again just for you.



    Also, your understanding of Shirou's projection is incorrect.
    UBW facilitates Shirou to make a really precise projection.
    How long the projection lasts depends entirely on how fast the World perceives the fake and decides to destroy it.
    None of what you posted says Instinct distorts or otherwise affects causality in any way.
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    People keep on reading the Shirou cant do divine constructs in such a way as to make them super special awesome, but even in the q&a says Archers got weapons of similar performace. Who cares for a hostile planets divine bonus, take this perfectly fine man made sword and use its sword beam to deflect Excal or Ea.

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    Just want to confirm it but Musashi (male) is the narrator for all of Shimousa correct? (more specifically the part at the end with Douman)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arete View Post
    Just want to confirm it but Musashi (male) is the narrator for all of Shimousa correct? (more specifically the part at the end with Douman)
    yes

    He even gets a design in the manga:


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    Okay, so Divine constructs are non-replicable, I'll accept that much. Why though? Is there an actual, logical reason that has also been stated, does anyone have good enough logic to make this the case, or did Nasu just wake up and decide: "Nah he can't lol"?
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    It's probably that Shirou can't understand them, and it's an uphill battle for any human to replicate that level of Mystery. I mean, consider what Muramasa had to do to create his Tsumukari Muramasa, a Demon blade, which is one step below the Divine.

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    Also, for people who are in the know about the Tsuki remake, but would Arc's Luminous Body be weak to Ea's anti-texture/world effect?
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by All fictions View Post
    The wiki being the wiki, it claims that Shiki Tohno can have retrocognition and precognition, as in he can have visions of the past and the future in extremely specific circumstances related to death.
    It's not as specific as retro or precog. It's just his ESP lets his brain connect more easily and therefore see past experiences or thoughts.
    "The brain is an organ that manages reception and transmission. Since every person's brain is made from a different blueprint, we have to communicate our feelings through language. But if two brains are precisely the same, thought will be transmitted without the need for language.
    To put it in the previous terms, since the brain's channel is on the same frequency, the electric signal is received.
    Since your brain is superior to others', you connect to the bodies close to you."

    "…… It can't be. I don't have any twin."
    "I know. But in your case, it doesn't need to be a twin.
    It's not like you are merging with them, but more like you have similar brains. Since your brain has many channels, there is no need for you to be identical twins.
    Simply the same roots, a similar body… that's probably all that is needed for you to be drawn in.
    Probably a sibling with the same parents… Well, I suppose an exception could be made in the case of organ transplants; the 'flesh' might pull on your mind in that case."
    Ciel here is underestimating Shiki's ability to connect since:

    Nrvnqsr crouches.
    It's the action of a predator preparing to pounce on his prey.

    "Oh, I forget to tell you one more thing, Nrvnqsr."
    Her voice flows like the wind before that.
    "It may be a little late, but he's killed me once before."
    "Wh----at?"
    This time, it's for real.
    In his astonishment, Nrvnqsr loses sight of his identity.

    For a moment,
    his entranced thoughts flow into my mind like a curse.
    Also to show it isn't just linked to "death"
    ---Thump.
    My heartbeat, and this dark dizziness.
    ...... What is this?
    This unknown scenery, these memories I've never had, they start to fill my vision.
    https://lparchive.org/Tsukihime/Update%2041/
    If you read from that section on, you can see that maybe this is from Roa's memories and therefore foreshadowing Shiki's connection with Roa!SHIKI. But considering how Roa's memory is framed in Endless Stone, this scene seems like an Shiki's mind is following Arc's past for an extended period of time compared to Roa's single moment.

    Ryougi's ability before the accident was this:
    That familiar female voice... This someone is without a doubt the counsellor.
    "What do you mean, how to use these eyes...?"
    "Well, it will only be a little better than now, but I suppose it's better than nothing. Your mystic eyes that can conceive another's death by just looking are the first since the time of the Celtic gods. Erasing them is too wasteful."
    It's called Balor. The lady adds some incomprehensible words.
    "Mystic eyes are normally the result of you bringing about some kind of augmentation effect for your eyes through spiritual surgery. But in your case, I think they came about naturally. An ability you originally had was brought to the fore by the accident. By the sounds of it, it seemed that the child called Shiki was always seeing to the heart of everything."
    ... She talks as if she knows.
    Actually, as she said, Shiki had always been gazing at a far-off location. I think that even while looking at a person, she saw not the exterior, but that person's core.
    Although Shiki herself wasn't aware of it.
    "Well, you see, that was definitely a control mechanism Shiki used unconsciously. You shouldn't try to look at exteriors.
    Every object has flaws. The fancy of wishing everything could be taken apart and remade only exists because there's no such thing as a perfect object.
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    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    That's because Gae Bolg specifically calls for a Luck check, though

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    If that was true, it wouldn't lead to Saber getting punk'd by Deermud.

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    None of what you posted says Instinct distorts or otherwise affects causality in any way.
    I mean her Instinct skill says she could recognize GB in part due to it so I wouldn't dismiss it as completely irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temflakes403 View Post
    Okay, so Divine constructs are non-replicable, I'll accept that much. Why though? Is there an actual, logical reason that has also been stated, does anyone have good enough logic to make this the case, or did Nasu just wake up and decide: "Nah he can't lol"?
    The actual details of the mechanics involved aren't given, but there's no real need to speculate when Shirou/Archer can't and won't project Divine Constructs.

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    I mean it's quite possible that divine constructs have the same knockback as we saw with Tsumukari Muramasa and Emiya is just not willing to consider sacrificing himself for something like that. Alternatively perhaps it's a limit the world places on him.

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    yes

    He even gets a design in the manga:

    Cheers. And just checking but he's a human and not a servant correct?

    Also I remember hearing Lady Kannon bought up by female Musashi. Do we know much about Fate's version of Kannon? I'm really hoping they don't mix her with the virgin Mary just to make fem-Musashi more special.

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    Wasn't the whole point of UBW not being bound to the limits of the world, and yes Shirou/Archer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temflakes403 View Post
    Wasn't the whole point of UBW not being bound to the limits of the world, and yes Shirou/Archer?
    UBW's weird Projection stuff aside, it was given a limit of Divine Constructs as being things it couldn't replicate. Why/how is ultimately not that much of a discussion (since it's probably a smaller part of non-gods/Divine Spirits not being able to use Divine/Divinity related stuff without suffering disastrous consequences e.g. Muramasa and Ashwatthama) when Archer has stuff he can project that would be similar in function and can do the job for him.

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    I'd just stick with the old explanation we came up with- that they could, superficially, copy some weapons, put their lives on the line, and end up with something that's workable garbage. Excalipoor. Crapcalibur.

    Nowhere near the true majesty or concept the real thing carries, and if he looked at the real one his shit copy would crumple like tinfoil, but if he needs to, he can basically kill himself to make the fairy sword. A true god's weapon/tool, on the other hand, is completely out of his league.
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    Nah man, we just need a Gurren Lagann crossover. Archer believes in the Shirou that believes in him, rejects common sense, makes the impossible possible and fuck I have no punchline.
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    Anyone knows where I can read whatever it is the moon's deal is? I basically only know there's some deal with the moon and whatever I can guess about it from what's in Notes, but is there a legit entry talking in more or less detail about it?

    I know there's some stuff in Extra I think? but I thought the other stuff is probably in Tsukihime because, you know, Tsuki, but nop.
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    Theirs multiple different things going on in the moon depending on the Universe. Extraverse has aliens turn it into a supercomputer using crystals that makes a virtual reality Grail war to decide who helps it beat the Alien superweapon who defeated the Gods and plans to do the same to the rest of civilization. Tsukihime (and Fate) has the strongest lifeform of the moon come to Earth on Gaia's request to help manage the monkeys making a mess of things, and thus creating vampires in its image including one of the strongest beings in Nasuverse, but gets dealt with by the Second Magic user beaming it using power borrowed from parallel worlds.

    Quite a bit of this is Interview only, or small tidbits talked about throughout the Nasuverse pieced together over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombames View Post
    Anyone knows where I can read whatever it is the moon's deal is? I basically only know there's some deal with the moon and whatever I can guess about it from what's in Notes, but is there a legit entry talking in more or less detail about it?

    I know there's some stuff in Extra I think? but I thought the other stuff is probably in Tsukihime because, you know, Tsuki, but nop.
    You aren't exactly being very specific here.

    In any case, as one would expect of a company named after it, the moon features heavily in many stories. It serves as the setting for Fate/Extra (in a roundabout way, though). Tsuki no Sango is perhaps the work that most directly involves the moon. There's also a lot of information about Crimson Moon (aka, TYPE-MOON, the Ultimate One of the Moon) spread around in supplementary stories and material pertaining to Tsukihime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombames View Post
    Anyone knows where I can read whatever it is the moon's deal is? I basically only know there's some deal with the moon and whatever I can guess about it from what's in Notes, but is there a legit entry talking in more or less detail about it?

    I know there's some stuff in Extra I think? but I thought the other stuff is probably in Tsukihime because, you know, Tsuki, but nop.
    Curtain 1: The moon is a dude who struck a deal with the CEO of Hotel Earth to offer his tech for some new security robots to be built, but is secretly trying to orchestrate a takeover of Hotel Earth to rebrand it as a branch of his own Luna Resort, except both the CEO and the hotel guests thought he was pretty sus and kept him at arm's length until an old man kicked him out of the hotel and back to the moon, where he sits waiting for one of the robots to get as good at being him as himself.

    Curtain 2: The moon is an avant-garde case for a supercomputer designed by voyeuristic aliens to record everything that ever happens on Earth, and hacker wizards from Earth found a way to plug themselves into its deathmatch-themed Matrix.

    Curtain 3: The moon is a rock where people of the future used to live.

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    Different stories due to different owners (or "brains") of the moon.

    Sometimes it's a vampire. Sometimes it's an alien supercomputer. And sometimes it's a silicone girl.
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