So Solomon can hijack UBW and Ionioi Hetairoi? How would that work would the soilders in IH just see solomon as Iskandar?
So Solomon can hijack UBW and Ionioi Hetairoi? How would that work would the soilders in IH just see solomon as Iskandar?
I see it more as he can shut down or cancel out the Reality Marble prematurely.
Was Sakurai somehow involved with TM before Fragments of Sky Silver and FGO?
Among all the "main" non-Nasu TM writers (Higashide, Meteo and Urobuchi) she is the only one that as far I know that wasn't friends with Nasu, wasn't a TM fan or didn't contribute to a TM project before writting a TM work.
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I believe not.Originally Posted by Nanashi(kari)
There doesn't even seem to be a lot of information about how they met, or whatever. Unlike Meteo and Higashide, whose works Nasu referenced in his blog ages ago, and whose names show up quite frequently, Sakurai doesn't have a lot of appearances there. Sakurai is first mentioned in 2015, as part of the April's Fool team.
For your amusement, in this thread you can find BL's first reactions to Sakurai's writings.
Selected excerpts:
Loved the third one.
Nice to know the opinion towards Sakurai has been pretty much the same since the beginning.
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Second one was the sickest burn.
What wouldn't I give for Fragments rewrite...
So I can just make sense of its chronology.
Another question,too.
If Magic Circuits generate to Magical Energy. So, how can the normal humans ( don't have MC) can have any Od inside of them. Actually, they really have any Od/Magical Energy inside them from the beginning?
And. If we can convert human's soul to the magical energy. So, soul is considered as Od? Or Mana?
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Or actually, Mana and Od just the concept to call where these magical energy from. It actually doesn't mean the sources which can convert to magical energy?
In another world. Normal humans ( don't have MC) don't have Od/Magical Energy?
Od and Mana are not actually "magical energy". They are more like "potential energy".
The actual "magical energy" is ether. You need Magic Circuits to convert Mana and Od into ether, THEN you can do magic.
Every living thing has Od, and the environment has Mana. There are spells that allow you suck the Mana and Od out of everything, and feed those to you so you can produce more ether ("magical energy").
This is from Tsukihime Dokuhon PlusPeriod:
In the japan version of this texts. He write " life force" is " 生命力". While Od is "オド".Magic Circuit [Term]
The foundation for setting up Thaumaturgy. There are two types, but here it refers to the quality within a human body that makes a magus a magus.
Magic circuits are responsible for converting life force into magical energy, and for connecting to the underlying grand sorcery formula.
Basically, sorcery is a formula that causes nature interference by starting up and stabilizing a "rule already established in the world" with magical energy. Or to put it another way, the "rule" is a car, and the "magical energy" is the gasoline that makes it run.
In order to start up sorcery, three things are required:
the necessary amount of magical energy, a key (password/spell/code), and magic circuits to inject the magical energy into the "engine".
If we assume for a moment that magical energy is electricity, then magic circuits would be both the reactor that produces that electricity, as well as the pipelines for running the system.
Because vital activity is indispensable to the operation of this reactor, there is a common misconception that a magus' body = magic circuits. However, though quite rare, magic circuits that continue rotating on their own even after the practitioner's vital activity has stopped do exist.
The reason that an individual's magical energy (od) will be regenerated even if is totally used up is because the magic circuits are still operating. But on the other hand, without magic circuits, magical energy (od) will no longer be generated at all.
They are spread throughout the entire body as pseudo-nerves, and can basically be divided into cores, and pipes that connect these cores together. The pipes are similar to the synapses within the brain, constantly breaking off and reconnecting, but the cores never change.
Strictly speaking, these cores are the actual magic circuits.
They are considered to be a sort of internal organ, that will never increase or decrease in number. Of course, extracting and transplanting them is technically possible, but just like implanting an extra organ into a human body it should go without saying what will happen if you try it.
Magic circuits, once lost, will never return.
As for what magi actually use these magic circuits for, well, that's covered in a different story.
If we say Od is "life force" and it isn't Magical Energy. So that mean, and Nasu uses two name to call only one concept in just a writing. And that will mean
1/ " MC consume Od to create Magical Energy. While it producing Od ( life force),too.". It is very confuse.
2/ " MC produce Od. But people who don't have MC still have Od inside them.".
3/ He confimed that we need MC to generate Od. So, how can these victims still become healthy again after Medea consumed their Od?
4/ So, what exactly Magus transfer to each other through sex? Magical Energy? Or Od?
After nearly 20 years. I still can't really understand his basic concept, thank to the way he explains everything.
Last edited by kohaku; December 22nd, 2021 at 12:44 AM.
The thing is that you are kind of limiting yourself with 20 year old information.
The concept is already elaborated in Mahoyo.
The Magic Circuits convert Mana and Od into Ether, and you slam the Ether into the Foundation to power your spells.
You can also just use the Ether raw like Aoko did when she made barriers and fired her cannon. Can be highly destructive, but really unrefined to true orthodox mages.
The trouble is: How we should understand the concept when he was using it in his novel of 2004 ( Mana, Od,...)? Follow the concept which he wrote during that period? Or the concept which he wrote in Mahoyo?
And even if we agree that " Mana, Od = potential energy"; " MC transform them to ether ( magical energy)."
So:
1/ How can the normal victim regain their Od and become healthy again, if they don't have Magic Circuits?
2/ Shirou never drink Rin's juice in UBW H-scene. He even cum outside of her. How he still receive magical energy/ether from him?
* More important, both of Rin and Sakura mentions that Magus' semen include magical energy/ether. They don't mention about normal people's juice.
3/ So, can Shinji ( don't have any MC) feed any magical energy or Od to Sakura by raping her? It is the fans' theory, and it never mentioned in novel at all.
4/ Medea said " even when normal people don't have magical energy, they still have soul.".
Od is basically your life force. Mana is the life force of the natural world. Both will regenerate normally.
Body fluid carries life force regardless of mage or non-mage. Just see all the blood-sucking species. That's how they get power.2/ Shirou never drink Rin's juice in UBW H-scene. He even cum outside of her. How he still receive magical energy/ether from him?
* More important, both of Rin and Sakura mentions that Magus' semen include magical energy/ether. They don't mention about normal people's juice.
I do not give a fuck about dumb theories like this lol.3/ So, can Shinji ( don't have any MC) feed any magical energy or Od to Sakura by raping her? It is the fans' theory, and it never mentioned in novel at all.
Yes, I do not see how that is a problem.4/ Medea said " even when normal people don't have magical energy, they still have soul.".
Your soul has nothing to do with having or not having magic energy.
Really, if you want a plain, out-of-universe answer:
Nasu did not know what the fuck to do with Ether, because there are like 5 flavours of it.
Then the people who helped him write Mahoyo and FGO came to a consensus.
There has basically been a small retcon.
Magic currency = Ether.
A lot has changed in 20 years, especially author's mindset. And with TsukiRe's release, changes in some terminologies are inevitable.
Maybe it's better to ask veterans who've been following TM since 20 years ago. They're probably much familiar with it. I myself don't know who they are though.
You'll see a lot of them in this forum.
Call me 想φαγω.
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1/ Ok. Another question: where are you read that info from?
2/ But he never drink her juice from the beginning. How can he receives ether? And during that H-scene, he says something about " set contract", exactly as same as when Medea has sex with Souchirou ( a human doesn't have MC).
And I don't remember that they say DAA suck blood to get Od, Mana or ether at all ( don't sure about TsukiR).
3/ So, soul is a part of Od? or of Mana? or it is another source which can transform to ether/magical energy?
Why you ( Nasu) has the point to write " Od is mana inside your body; Mana is mana in the environment. But soul isn't a part of Od, although it is connect to the human and we can convert it to ether." from the beginning.
According to Plust Period on magic circuits, Od can't be generated after used up without magic circuits.
https://www.tmdict.com/en/ma.magic-circuitThe reason that an individual’s magical energy (od) will be regenerated even if is totally used up is because the magic circuits are still operating. But on the other hand, without magic circuits, magical energy (od) will no longer be generated at all.
Though yeah, that doesen't really make much sense if you consider that someone like Kuzuki was able to share magical energy through intercourse with his servant, or how those Orphans were capable of providing magical energy to Gilgamesh for 10 years.
Medea is a Caster, so she probably found a way to get around it.
As for Gil's case, are the orphans the same people for 10 whole years? No replacements at all?
Medea was on the brink of disappearing, being without a master for more than a day, she wasn't really in any position to use her abilities.
Yes, they explicitly are the other kids Shirou was in the hospital with when Kiritsugu adopted him.
Actually, in novel, Medea says something about:
" don't have Master, I lost the "visa card" to keep my existence in this world." - > Master isn't just give magical energy to Servant. As same as Zouken need a body to store his soul, Servant need the Master as the auchor to live in this world.
" this temple is the good place to prevent me from vanishing."
And she says about her sex with Kuzuki: " the contract is set.". - > It make me wonder that Kuzuki really give magical energy, or that actually just another way to set contract and give Medea a new "visa card"
And Nasu explains nothing.
Maybe these children are all have MCircuit in them?
Nasu explains nothing,too.
Now, he keeps explains about " age of God" or something on the galaxy, while he never explains clearly even a basic info during 20 years.
I really wonder that he knows how to explain his concept? Or he really understand his own concept from the beginning?
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3/ So, soul is a part of Od? or of Mana? or it is another source which can transform to ether/magical energy?
Last edited by kohaku; December 22nd, 2021 at 11:04 AM.
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