[EN] FGO Arcade Collaboration: Spiral Proof World, Lilim Harlot - A Rose Without Ovation

[Dark Squirrel]

And with the CQ done that's a wrap for this event.

Honestly it'd have benefited from its story being two weeks to showcase more characters (thinking Sita and de Mollay and Noah here), especially with the missions gating it all real hard.

But mebbe it would have made it worse, not better.

As it was, the story was nice until Draco turned into another Umu. At least Gin had the decency to make her hate it.

Tiamama was pure perfection, in all her head-empty-only-mom glory.

Cú Lily was a pleasant surprise, his My Room lines are a delight.

[Broke]

Tez goes hard for 3 turning the final node.

[Some Jerk]

Raid boss failed.

[Nuberu]

Just noticed that the ost on Draco's NP is a variation of Nero's theme, thats a nice touch.

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I've completed the Challenge Quest (it went down pretty easily, that's NP2 Kukulcan for you), and now I'm just farming (not that I have much of the shop left).

[Rinko]

Yeah the shop ended up being empty of anything valuable by the time I finished the missions.
I did two extra runs to get the 5* EXP and ONE Dragon Fang out, but that's it.

[Gehennahem]

Finished the Event, damn good Event honestly but it's basically predicated on how much you like Nero... but it makes sense as it's basically an Event finally going all in on Nero including everything we got in Extra. It's nice that they basically give us all of the cliffnotes of Arcade and even the final showdown of Arcade itself. The fact they literally had the Spiral Proof World be a damn Last Encore reference and Hakuno pretty much appearing being like "Yeah Nero is our Servant and I don't wanna see her suffer, even her Shadow, be a bro/gal and help her out" got a massive chuckle out of me.

The Stinger was beautiful though.

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It feels odd to one week left in an event that I've finished farming, but hey, I can go do those new Rank-Up Quests we just got, and then make more Cobalt-Bronzed Fruits until the lotto event.

[Reverse_side98]

Pretty average event for me. The early story sections felt like it was dragging its foot with the usual slop and gags. It only picked up around America. While i like the hakuno cameo, it felt hollow with no real connection between hakuno and "nero" after much implication. If they're going that far to help, why not just do it themselves. Why does it have to be Ritsuka, what did Hakuno do exactly when Draco was the one who forced the contract.

[Gehennahem]

Pretty average event for me. The early story sections felt like it was dragging its foot with the usual slop and gags. It only picked up around America. While i like the hakuno cameo, it felt hollow with no real connection between hakuno and "nero" after much implication. If they're going that far to help, why not just do it themselves. Why does it have to be Ritsuka, what did Hakuno do exactly when Draco was the one who forced the contract.

No, the Incarnadines didn't force anything which was why Draco found it weird they was contracted at all.
And Hakuno couldn't do anything because... well, they are literally from the Extra Timeline and the Moon Cell only gives them so much. Also Ritsuka DOES ask that question and Hakuno even states that it's only something THEY can do(That and Ritsuka's Mobile Timeline was the one Draco was eyeing the entire time due to her own contradictions).

TL;DR Hakuno basically forced the contract due to sheer sentimentality between Draco and Ritsuka and couldn't do anything else because they aren't even from the timeline and Draco was eyeing the Mobile Timeline to look for someone that won't fall into depravity from the very beginning. The story even brings up quite a few times(including her own profile) that despite being the very Beast of Depravity which would include things like Sloth, actually being either pisses her off to no end)

[Reverse_side98]

No, the Incarnadines didn't force anything which was why Draco found it weird they was contracted at all.
And Hakuno couldn't do anything because... well, they are literally from the Extra Timeline and the Moon Cell only gives them so much. Also Ritsuka DOES ask that question and Hakuno even states that it's only something THEY can do(That and Ritsuka's Mobile Timeline was the one Draco was eyeing the entire time due to her own contradictions).

TL;DR Hakuno basically forced the contract due to sheer sentimentality between Draco and Ritsuka and couldn't do anything else because they aren't even from the timeline and Draco was eyeing the Mobile Timeline to look for someone that won't fall into depravity from the very beginning. The story even brings up quite a few times(including her own profile) that despite being the very Beast of Depravity which would include things like Sloth, actually being either pisses her off to no end)

Ordeal Call

Hakuno not being able to go another timeline sounds bull considering what happens late in OC3. Draco also didnt need to go to mobile timeline when Ritsuka is also in Arcade but we know why that didnt happen. Hakuno felt like a plot contrivance at best who i dont think was really even necesarry all that much

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1. Don't be throwing around random spoilers in the English Channel like that without atleast putting it into actual spoilers.

Spoiler:

1A. OC3's existence doesn't answer your point in the slightest considering that Hakuno COULDN'T do what Ritsuka could do, that was something they dead ass state.

2. Ritsuka in the Arcade Timelines =/= Ritsuka in the Mobile Timeline, I thought this was obvious due to how the timelines work throughout the entire series. Especially considering Draco admitted she destroyed many Chaldeas in the Event itself yet still focused on the Main Timeline/Mobile explicitly meaning Mobile Ritsuka has something that's different than the others to some degree.

3. Again, you are basically ignoring what the story states to add in your own personal headcanon to act as if Draco did it or the Incarnadines when Hakuno explicitly states they did it which does make sense with how ridiculous the Moon Cell's capabilities are.

[Reverse_side98]

1. Don't be throwing around random spoilers in the English Channel like that without atleast putting it into actual spoilers.

Spoiler:

1A. OC3's existence doesn't answer your point in the slightest considering that Hakuno COULDN'T do what Ritsuka could do, that was something they dead ass state.

2. Ritsuka in the Arcade Timelines =/= Ritsuka in the Mobile Timeline, I thought this was obvious due to how the timelines work throughout the entire series. Especially considering Draco admitted she destroyed many Chaldeas in the Event itself yet still focused on the Main Timeline/Mobile explicitly meaning Mobile Ritsuka has something that's different than the others to some degree.

3. Again, you are basically ignoring what the story states to add in your own personal headcanon to act as if Draco did it or the Incarnadines when Hakuno explicitly states they did it which does make sense with how ridiculous the Moon Cell's capabilities are.

1. Stating they cant do something someone can without saying what THAT something specifically is doesnt sound remotely convinving

2. Its not a matter of difference of timelines, its a matter of being the same character between timelines. Not that they actually stated anything differnt between mobile and arcade ritsuka anyway, which i assume was because as far as they're concerned is the same self insert so expecting players to equally assume that both ritsuka are the same

3. Im not questioning what happens in the story but rather how and why the story happens the way it did. Whether draco made the contract or not is the least of my concerns.

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1. Stating they cant do something someone can without saying what THAT something specifically is doesnt sound remotely convinving

2. Its not a matter of difference of timelines, its a matter of being the same character between timelines. Not that they actually stated anything differnt between mobile and arcade ritsuka anyway, which i assume was because as far as they're concerned is the same self insert so expecting players to equally assume that both ritsuka are the same

3. Im not questioning what happens in the story but rather how and why the story happens the way it did. Whether draco made the contract or not is the least of my concerns.

1. It's pretty spelled out on why they can't interact with Draco and left it to Ritsuka:
It's because of their Last Master of Humanity benefit combined with their experience in dealing with Beasts.

2. It being the same character does not mean that they are 1:1 the same, that's the entire point of Extella and the point why there was just as many Chaldeas that failed in their mission as ones that will succeed. You are basically just making excuses with the self-insert comments rather than actually giving me a proper rebuttal.

3. My dude, you was the one stating that Draco made the contract and when I corrected you by telling you what the story itself states, you then went and stated that it somehow makes no sense Hakuno can do that much when the Moon Cell is capable of absurd stuff like that and Hakuno is the Master of The Moon Cell since Fate/Extella(With them wearing the exact MCC that they have in Fate/Extella to signify that).
I'm wondering if you played or seen Fate/Extra and onwards because the Moon Cell being able to see around timelines and such has been a well known thing since basically the very start and we also know in Extella Link(and hell, even in Traum) that you can very much interact and mess with timelines from it as Charles The Great did with Charlemagne and the latter explicitly brings up Extella Link stuff as to why they are even working together.

[Reverse_side98]

1. It's pretty spelled out on why they can't interact with Draco and left it to Ritsuka:
It's because of their Last Master of Humanity benefit combined with their experience in dealing with Beasts.

2. It being the same character does not mean that they are 1:1 the same, that's the entire point of Extella and the point why there was just as many Chaldeas that failed in their mission as ones that will succeed. You are basically just making excuses with the self-insert comments rather than actually giving me a proper rebuttal.

3. My dude, you was the one stating that Draco made the contract and when I corrected you by telling you what the story itself states, you then went and stated that it somehow makes no sense Hakuno can do that much when the Moon Cell is capable of absurd stuff like that and Hakuno is the Master of The Moon Cell since Fate/Extella(With them wearing the exact MCC that they have in Fate/Extella to signify that).
I'm wondering if you played or seen Fate/Extra and onwards because the Moon Cell being able to see around timelines and such has been a well known thing since basically the very start and we also know in Extella Link(and hell, even in Traum) that you can very much interact and mess with timelines from it as Charles The Great did with Charlemagne and the latter explicitly brings up Extella Link stuff as to why they are even working together.

1. Yeah you're not explaining what the "Last Master of humanity" entails other than being IT IS nor how the supposed experience matters when almost all previous cases where resolved by good ol fashion beatdowns

2. The other chaldea failing dont matter because the one Draco actually interacted, Arcade ritsuka succeeded. I suggest you stop strawmanning me and stay on topic.

3. We're not even talking about the same topic at this point. Also funny you're only bringing up NOW that the moon cell CAN directly interfere when this was your initial reply to me about why hakuno cant directly interfere. Make up your mind

And Hakuno couldn't do anything because... well, they are literally from the Extra Timeline and the Moon Cell only gives them so much.

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2. The other chaldea failing dont matter because the one Draco actually interacted, Arcade ritsuka succeeded. I suggest you stop strawmanning me and stay on topic.

Draco interacted with all of the other Chaldeas that failed.

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1. Yeah you're not explaining what the "Last Master of humanity" entails other than being IT IS nor how the supposed experience matters when almost all previous cases where resolved by good ol fashion beatdowns

2. The other chaldea failing dont matter because the one Draco actually interacted, Arcade ritsuka succeeded. I suggest you stop strawmanning me and stay on topic.

3. We're not even talking about the same topic at this point. Also funny you're only bringing up NOW that the moon cell CAN directly interfere when this was your initial reply to me about why hakuno cant directly interfere. Make up your mind

1. "The Last Master of Humanity" is implied to be why Ritsuka is able to be the Master of hundreds of Servants as equally applied to David Bluebrook in Traum and the main reason why he was able to be the Master of thousands of Servants, Phantom Spirits included. Hakuno is the only Master of the Moon Cell but that has nowhere near the same level of benefits Servant wise past the Moon Cell's usage which is unique to them.

2. As Shift stated, Draco literally states she interacted with other Chaldea's that ultimately fell against her, that's literally how she gained her power as it's stated quite a few times over including in the Redone Arcade scene of the final confrontation with Sodom's Beast. Arcade Ritsuka defeating her doesn't mean shit when she destroyed countless other Chaldea's. All it means is that timeline's Ritsuka ultimately defeated Draco... that's not as good as you think it is considering how we know even the basic timeline structure works in the Nasuverse.

3. My dude, nothing I said contradicted that... The Moon Cell can only do so much and the most Hakuno could do in that situation was to make Draco and Ritsuka Servant and Master respectively. Again, it feels like you are basically arguing to argue rather than actually point out reasoning for why my points aren't good. Hakuno chose Ritsuka because Ritsuka has interacted with so many Beasts that they are the better choice to handle Draco than they are, it's also implied that they really couldn't do anything in that situation otherwise than do what they did.

[Reverse_side98]

1. "The Last Master of Humanity" is implied to be why Ritsuka is able to be the Master of hundreds of Servants as equally applied to David Bluebrook in Traum and the main reason why he was able to be the Master of thousands of Servants, Phantom Spirits included. Hakuno is the only Master of the Moon Cell but that has nowhere near the same level of benefits Servant wise past the Moon Cell's usage which is unique to them.

2. As Shift stated, Draco literally states she interacted with other Chaldea's that ultimately fell against her, that's literally how she gained her power as it's stated quite a few times over including in the Redone Arcade scene of the final confrontation with Sodom's Beast. Arcade Ritsuka defeating her doesn't mean shit when she destroyed countless other Chaldea's. All it means is that timeline's Ritsuka ultimately defeated Draco... that's not as good as you think it is considering how we know even the basic timeline structure works in the Nasuverse.

3. My dude, nothing I said contradicted that... The Moon Cell can only do so much and the most Hakuno could do in that situation was to make Draco and Ritsuka Servant and Master respectively. Again, it feels like you are basically arguing to argue rather than actually point out reasoning for why my points aren't good. Hakuno chose Ritsuka because Ritsuka has interacted with so many Beasts that they are the better choice to handle Draco than they are, it's also implied that they really couldn't do anything in that situation otherwise than do what they did.

1. The Last Master of Humanity is an empty title that pretty much lost all meaning in part 2 which never had the implication that it was the reason Ritsuka is able to contract many in the first place. That only mattered in part 1 when they're literally the only acter human master around. Same for David Bluebook. Its not some special trait, merely something born of circumstances.

2. Draco defeating multiple chaldeas prior to Arcade is irrelevant to the point im raising. That point being after Arcade, there's no reason for her to look specifically for mobile ritsuka to save her when Arcade ritsuka should be able to do the same. I doubt its a question of being different ritsuka characters when they didnt bother to differentiate the 2. The only reason im seeing it happened was because Arcade closed. Again a matter of IRL circumstances instead of making sense storywise

3. Hakuno wasnt able to cross-over for no discernible reason other than vague "i cant come over because reasons" right after sending Charlie in traum btw. Hakuno chose ritsuka because they interacted with various Beasts, said interactions varying wildly with each other and none of which applies to Draco's specific issue nevermind a good chunk of Beasts were bruteforced into compliance i might add, even when Hakuno themself know better than anyone else of Nero's backstory. All of which amounted to a nice but otherwise cheap cameo for plot convenince. You could remove Hakuno and have the incarnadines force the contract and the story would've been the same. The hakuno buildup and implied connection to draco ultimately amounting to nothing a year later just makes it worse for me

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1. The Last Master of Humanity is an empty title that pretty much lost all meaning in part 2 which never had the implication that it was the reason Ritsuka is able to contract many in the first place. That only mattered in part 1 when they're literally the only acter human master around. Same for David Bluebook. Its not some special trait, merely something born of circumstances.

Okay, any chance of me taking you seriously at this point is just... gone now...
The Last Master of Humanity didn't lose any meaning, it literally still existed and was literally explained in Traum why the sole Master in Traum was able to have thousands of Servants at their beck and call and Kadoc even explicitly mentions the fact that he and Ritsuka are explicitly similar in that regard.
You then try and bring up the other Masters but guess what? All of them was explicitly against Humanity, it's like you don't even understand what you are saying and thinking it's just crowned to being the only human left and nothing more.

2. Draco defeating multiple chaldeas prior to Arcade is irrelevant to the point im raising. That point being after Arcade, there's no reason for her to look specifically for mobile ritsuka to save her when Arcade ritsuka should be able to do the same. I doubt its a question of being different ritsuka characters when they didnt bother to differentiate the 2. The only reason im seeing it happened was because Arcade closed. Again a matter of IRL circumstances instead of making sense storywise

My dude, it really tells me you have not read the story at all and just skimmed it if this is what you are aiming with it...
Arcade Ritsuka didn't do any genuine Holiday Events(Draco didn't even know what Halloween IS, let alone who Elizabeth is), barely did even remotely even half of the Events otherwise that Mobile Ritsuka did only JUST fought 1 Beast and he didn't even face Tiamat(Hell, Tiamat helped THEM to defeat Draco) to even begin to realize that they can just talk Beasts down. Arcade Ritsuka would have nothing remotely close to who Draco wants in comparison to Mobile Ritsuka who according to this Event, would still be in atleast pre-LB7/post-LB7 according to how everything is set up. Arcade Ritsuka's journey literally stops before EoR for pete sake.

3. Hakuno wasnt able to cross-over for no discernible reason other than vague "i cant come over because reasons" right after sending Charlie in traum btw. Hakuno chose ritsuka because they interacted with various Beasts, said interactions varying wildly with each other and none of which applies to Draco's specific issue nevermind a good chunk of Beasts were bruteforced into compliance i might add, even when Hakuno themself know better than anyone else of Nero's backstory. All of which amounted to a nice but otherwise cheap cameo for plot convenince. You could remove Hakuno and have the incarnadines force the contract and the story would've been the same. The hakuno buildup and implied connection to draco ultimately amounting to nothing a year later just makes it worse for me

Hakuno cannot bond with a Beast in the same fashion Ritsuka can...
It's literally the equivalent of one ear and out the other with you and you are just making excuses to justify your position(Especially since Draco wanted to die and there would be zero way of the Incarnadines to even get into the Main FGO Timeline in the first place without help). Like if you don't like the events, just say so even after I clarify it, don't consistently try to fight the story itself to seem smarter than it because it gives the opposite take. Especially when someone else tells you that exact thing and you ignore it entirely to pretend "It doesn't hurt my point" when it explicitly does.

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Okay, any chance of me taking you seriously at this point is just... gone now...
The Last Master of Humanity didn't lose any meaning, it literally still existed and was literally explained in Traum why the sole Master in Traum was able to have thousands of Servants at their beck and call and Kadoc even explicitly mentions the fact that he and Ritsuka are explicitly similar in that regard.
You then try and bring up the other Masters but guess what? All of them was explicitly against Humanity, it's like you don't even understand what you are saying and thinking it's just crowned to being the only human left and nothing more.



My dude, it really tells me you have not read the story at all and just skimmed it if this is what you are aiming with it...
Arcade Ritsuka didn't do any genuine Holiday Events(Draco didn't even know what Halloween IS, let alone who Elizabeth is), barely did even remotely even half of the Events otherwise that Mobile Ritsuka did only JUST fought 1 Beast and he didn't even face Tiamat(Hell, Tiamat helped THEM to defeat Draco) to even begin to realize that they can just talk Beasts down. Arcade Ritsuka would have nothing remotely close to who Draco wants in comparison to Mobile Ritsuka who according to this Event, would still be in atleast pre-LB7/post-LB7 according to how everything is set up. Arcade Ritsuka's journey literally stops before EoR for pete sake.




Hakuno cannot bond with a Beast in the same fashion Ritsuka can...
It's literally the equivalent of one ear and out the other with you and you are just making excuses to justify your position(Especially since Draco wanted to die and there would be zero way of the Incarnadines to even get into the Main FGO Timeline in the first place without help). Like if you don't like the events, just say so even after I clarify it, don't consistently try to fight the story itself to seem smarter than it because it gives the opposite take. Especially when someone else tells you that exact thing and you ignore it entirely to pretend "It doesn't hurt my point" when it explicitly does.

1. Its a hollow title same as King of Heroes and King of Conquerors. Its not some special trait like you're making it out to be. David Bluebook was able to to become a master to thousands of servants because something made him into one. You say that like there were anyone else at the same location at the time to try that to someone else. Last master of humanity doesnt really mean anything now when there's 3 other masters on humanity's side, namely Sion, Kadoc and Goredolf. You exaggerate an empty title like its an inherent ability

2. You really think id be here sharing my feedback of the story if i didnt read it? I dont see how Arcade and mobile ritsuka's experience matter here, when the one draco is looking for is simply someone who can save her. Hakuno and both ritsukas fulfill that, well if we assume the barren characterization fo arcade ritsuka is supposed to be same as mobile ritsuka anyway.

3. Que hakuno bonding with Nero, BB and Tamamo in Extra, all Beasts in mentality but status

If you're just gonna keep strawmanning me, feel free to continue this conversation by yourself and why yes, i do find the story mid. Pretty sure i said it already in my feedback post.