[FGO JP main chapter] OC4: Trinity Metatronius, Courtroom for the Judgment of Mankind

[Rafflesiac]

Where's Kotomine in the trailer?

[mami-kouga]

Where's Kotomine in the trailer?

He's in the shattered CGs, at the corner beside Kadoc

[Emeraldwolf]

"Lotteries and gambling are variations of this Divine Trial. As I've said before, gambling is act that takes things out of human control. It is a historical curiosity that gambling which is seen as extremely secular in modern times had such a sacred attribute furnished to it."

I swear the funniest part about Case Files and El Melloi Adventures is excerpts like this that read like those out of context videos of MatPat comparing religious imagery to Minecraft

[Ratman]

yeah when you really think about it praying IS gacha and building a shrine to your waifu is totally normal human behavior

[Emeraldwolf]

That way I can write off buying the Tezcatlipoca art book as a necessary expense

[Nyarly Alter]

I just realized in Persona Metatronius is a weapon for Aigis (Maaya Sakamoto!)

[idpersona]

if super jannu is good i have a np5 jannu from random spooks and failed older GSSRs as a catalyst

[InsertNameHere]

Anyway OC4 trailer thoughts for as many thoughts as I can give on a trailer I do not understand the dialogue or text:

1. Literally no character we weren't already existing to be here is here (well except Kotomine, I didn't expect him showing up)

2. New Jeanne is more angelic than I expected

3. We're starting from hell so I guess it's going to actually go the way of the divine comedy, it feels more like each character is tied to a specific stage we'll have to cross before we get to the court.

4. Poster girl is more naked than I thought

5. Kadoc is reaching out with an intense expression but I'll just wait and see before assuming his fate. I'd rather he didn't die though

6. Rusted Ortinax shield is interesting?

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That is not armour, it's a slightly pointy cloth dress

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Like what kind of armour comes with criss cross lace at the sides? The colour scheme is confusing you into thinking it's metallic

I'm not sure what to make of the shield; they can't possibly be planning to kill Mash again before the Part 2 finale even happens. Maybe some kind of hint that Galahad will be involved somehow?

[pinetree]

Is that not just the same CG from Solomon?

[Emeraldwolf]

Galahad's just there because his trial for avoiding paying child support to Mash after abandoning her is scheduled after ours

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Is that not just the same CG from Solomon?

Isn't it the Ortinax shield?

[mami-kouga]

Yes it’s Ortinax, the build is more bulky and mechanical

[Rafflesiac]

He's in the shattered CGs, at the corner beside Kadoc

The blue high heel stepping in fire? I really don't see the guy. The white-haired person in the bottom left doesn't look like him either.

Now I feel like Matt has her Shielder moment here.

[Kelp24]

He's visible at the very last moment, but I also kept seeing it as a white haired person till I watched it enough times.

[pinetree]

Isn't it the Ortinax shield?

Yes it’s Ortinax, the build is more bulky and mechanical

Oh I missed all the cables

[TresserT]

Haven't posted in months, but I've been keeping up. Came just to defend the Ordeal Call arc.

I take issue with people claiming that the Ordeal Calls did nothing for the plot, or that the issues resolved in Ordeal Call were only introduced in Ordeal Call.

OC1 was pretty much filler, that's fair.

OC2 did not resolve any issues presented in the main story. But it resolved the Dantes story, which has been built up for years- the Dantes plotline has been going on since literally year 2, it's just that most of it took place in Interludes (and not just Dante's) and only alluded to in events. The plot of the Dantes arc is that what we've gone through is traumatizing and not something we are capable of handling. To alleviate this, Dantes has been literally in our brain managing our trauma and insecurities for us so that we can keep going. This is alluded to in Nemo Christmas and at various times with Kiara. Dantes has been preparing Abigail to take up this role as well, which was in Abigail's interludes. OC2 was the climax of this- Dantes recognizes that Avengers are dangerous, but needs to be sure that we're still capable of playing the hero even without his support. All this was very well foreshadowed- just nowhere in the main story.

Likewise, OC3 did the same thing but on an even bigger scale. It tied up plot points about the archetypes and their purpose and gave explanation on Arcueid, which is stuff that's been touched upon but never elaborated upon for almost 30 years.

If someone hasn't read the related plot parts/other materials I can understand why it would seem random and unnecessary, but the Ordeal Calls have been giving us payoff on really old threads that never got concluded. Likewise, at the very least, OC4 will likely FINALLY give us information on where the Abrahamic faiths sit in Nasuverse cosmology. Something that's been touched upon but never elaborated upon since, again, Tsukihime. Should they have done this as a main story chapters when all the buildup was in side stories, or even completely different works? Probably not. But claiming that it was isolated is incorrect. I'm not defending their quality or whether they fit here, just that they're pure isolated filler.

Besides, it's not like this is unique to the Ordeal Call arc. FGO has always been about elaborating on hints Nasu dropped but never developed. The Machine Gods were hinted at in Extra, and the Beasts were from all the way back in Prototype. And as far as filler unconnected to the main plot goes, you can cut out most story chapters without losing anything.

[InsertNameHere]

Haven't posted in months, but I've been keeping up. Came just to defend the Ordeal Call arc.

I take issue with people claiming that the Ordeal Calls did nothing for the plot, or that the issues resolved in Ordeal Call were only introduced in Ordeal Call.

OC1 was pretty much filler, that's fair.

OC2 did not resolve any issues presented in the main story. But it resolved the Dantes story, which has been built up for years- the Dantes plotline has been going on since literally year 2, it's just that most of it took place in Interludes (and not just Dante's) and only alluded to in events. The plot of the Dantes arc is that what we've gone through is traumatizing and not something we are capable of handling. To alleviate this, Dantes has been literally in our brain managing our trauma and insecurities for us so that we can keep going. This is alluded to in Nemo Christmas and at various times with Kiara. Dantes has been preparing Abigail to take up this role as well, which was in Abigail's interludes. OC2 was the climax of this- Dantes recognizes that Avengers are dangerous, but needs to be sure that we're still capable of playing the hero even without his support. All this was very well foreshadowed- just nowhere in the main story.

Likewise, OC3 did the same thing but on an even bigger scale. It tied up plot points about the archetypes and their purpose and gave explanation on Arcueid, which is stuff that's been touched upon but never elaborated upon for almost 30 years.

If someone hasn't read the related plot parts/other materials I can understand why it would seem random and unnecessary, but the Ordeal Calls have been giving us payoff on really old threads that never got concluded. Likewise, at the very least, OC4 will likely FINALLY give us information on where the Abrahamic faiths sit in Nasuverse cosmology. Something that's been touched upon but never elaborated upon since, again, Tsukihime. Should they have done this as a main story chapters when all the buildup was in side stories, or even completely different works? Probably not. But claiming that it was isolated is incorrect. I'm not defending their quality or whether they fit here, just that they're pure isolated filler.

Besides, it's not like this is unique to the Ordeal Call arc. FGO has always been about elaborating on hints Nasu dropped but never developed. The Machine Gods were hinted at in Extra, and the Beasts were from all the way back in Prototype. And as far as filler unconnected to the main plot goes, you can cut out most story chapters without losing anything.

It's actually more likely that this is the part where we actually get answers about what's going on in the main story. Why would we, the ones most likely to be on trial, not be told anything about what the accusations are?

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Yes it’s Ortinax, the build is more bulky and mechanical

It still could just be some sort of stylistic thing for this trailer.

[Dreamyaarav]

It's actually more likely that this is the part where we actually get answers about what's going on in the main story. Why would we, the ones most likely to be on trial, not be told anything about what the accusations are?

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I still think the actual nature of what we end up being accused of will make or break a large part of this OC for me. Like, it could end up being some really boring BS that is easy to argue against and inevitable for us to win against, but bringing up actual faults and flaws with the way we've actually done things and raising genuinely good philosophical debates against us could end up spicing this chapter up sooooo much more.

[mami-kouga]

It's actually more likely that this is the part where we actually get answers about what's going on in the main story. Why would we, the ones most likely to be on trial, not be told anything about what the accusations are?

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It still could just be some sort of stylistic thing for this trailer.

You think that in a trailer filled with CGs that are all very obviously going to be used in the chapter, they decided, somehow, that a half a second shot of Mash’s shield, updated to reflect the ortinax and at a different angle from her time temple CG, was worthy of being made just for the aesthetics? Even YOU don’t really believe that

[Petrikow]

Likewise, OC3 did the same thing but on an even bigger scale. It tied up plot points about the archetypes and their purpose and gave explanation on Arcueid, which is stuff that's been touched upon but never elaborated upon for almost 30 years.

This is reaching at best, and outright lies at worst. Very little that we learned in OC3 resolves ANYTHING about Arcueid. And even if it did, Arcueid is a complete non-factor in FGO's story-line. The stuff with the Archetypes likewise is not nearly important enough to warrant a whole chapter for. There is absolutely nothing about that chapter which is necessary, which is probably why it's also a Main Interlude, rather than an actual story chapter.

[TresserT]

This is reaching at best, and outright lies at worst. Very little that we learned in OC3 resolves ANYTHING about Arcueid. And even if it did, Arcueid is a complete non-factor in FGO's story-line. The stuff with the Archetypes likewise is not nearly important enough to warrant a whole chapter for. There is absolutely nothing about that chapter which is necessary, which is probably why it's also a Main Interlude, rather than an actual story chapter.

What do you mean it has nothing to do with Arcueid??? I mean, it doesn't have much to do with Arcueid as a character, but her origins and the purpose of Archetype Earth is pretty closely connected to OC3??? It gives us a lot of context about what's actually going on with True Ancestors and related nature spirits.

And again, I wasn't defending them making these main story chapters. I even acknowledged- and agree- they probably SHOULDN'T have done that. The only thing I was arguing against was that these are isolated stories that only deal with issues introduced for the Ordeal Call arc. OC1 aside, they've mostly been dealing with stuff setup for years, both in FGO side stories and outside of FGO.