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    I think if oc3 never existed arc would mean the same thing to me as a character

    I mean I think she was doing pretty well as a character with just tsukihime and derivatives

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    Breasts should not have taken up a significant portion of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TresserT View Post
    I think you're misunderstanding what I was trying to say. Arc isn't relevant to FGO's main story, was never trying to say she was. OC3 as a whole isn't super relevant to FGO's story either. I'm saying OC3 is relevant to Arcueid (among other things, like Archetypes), and it touches on stuff that's several decades old. My whole point was that the Ordeal Calls are NOT relevant to FGO's story, but they DO give us new information on other stuff. I'm trying to say that OC is not a self isolated story that only deals with stuff in the OC arc. It is connected to other stories, just not FGO's main one (in OC2's case it's FGO Interludes, in OC3's case it's Tsukihime-adjacent and Notes related stuff).

    We can talk about whether the new info in OC3 is important to Arc, because we seem to disagree on that too, but I want to make sure we have the same basic understanding on what I'm even trying to say in the first place.
    Your argument was that the Ordeal Calls were not filler. And if you think they are not relevant to FGO main story, despite unambiguously marketing themselves as such, and still want to defend them as "non-filler", then we have very different definitions of what filler is.

    And yes, as someone who is very invested in Arcueid's storyline, OC3 did nothing to resolve just about anything about her. She is turned into a lore-dumper, who mostly talks about a DIFFERING definition of what an Archetype in contrast to herself. There are no 30-year plot-threads being resolved, and if there were, I would arguably be even more incensed, because Nasu deciding to resolve one of his most major characters in an unrelated game during a filler chapter tied to a silly gag summer event would actually be one of the dumbest things he would've ever done. Luckily, he's not that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    I think if oc3 never existed arc would mean the same thing to me as a character

    I mean I think she was doing pretty well as a character with just tsukihime and derivatives
    Funniest thing is that most of what's said in OC3 is stuff stated in Katatsuki Kouhon, if not explicitly stated then heavily hinted. It's not even that important or new lore-wise.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    The thing is that Arc is different from typical Archetypes as well so none of what we get in OC3 really informs much of anything about her.

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    Only thing OC3 confirms in regards to Arc is that Arc actually existed prior to the Earth's formation, she just lacked a physical body (think Lugh Beowulf).
    Funniest thing is prior to OC3 releasing I had that exact same debate with a dude elsewhere (he disagreed but was wrong lol). In my my mind it was always true since all the hints were there.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Poor​ Aristoteles getting left by the wayside because they don't have "Arche" before their "Type"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    Your argument was that the Ordeal Calls were not filler. And if you think they are not relevant to FGO main story, despite unambiguously marketing themselves as such, and still want to defend them as "non-filler", then we have very different definitions of what filler is.

    And yes, as someone who is very invested in Arcueid's storyline, OC3 did nothing to resolve just about anything about her. She is turned into a lore-dumper, who mostly talks about a DIFFERING definition of what an Archetype in contrast to herself. There are no 30-year plot-threads being resolved, and if there were, I would arguably be even more incensed, because Nasu deciding to resolve one of his most major characters in an unrelated game during a filler chapter tied to a silly gag summer event would actually be one of the dumbest things he would've ever done. Luckily, he's not that stupid.
    To be clear, what I said was that I take issue with Ordeal Call being pitched as "pure isolated filler", and that I take issue with the idea that Ordeal Call only deals with plot points introduced for Ordeal Call. I've used the term "isolated" in every post I've made because that's what I take most issue with. Specifically, I was referring to posts made by Dark-Squirrel made a few pages back, though I didn't outright say that.

    Regardless, maybe we do have different definitions of filler. OC2 is the easiest example. Everythig in OC2 was building off of Dantes Interludes, Abigail Interludes, and various events (particularly Nemo Christmas). This is all stuff in side content, but it gets resolved in the main story, in a section that largely has nothing to do with the main story. I wouldn't exactly call that filler despite nothing in it being main story relevant. I feel OC3 does the same thing, but the stuff it resolves isn't even connected to FGO at all, it's connected to stuff outside the game.

    Before continuing I want to make sure we're on the same page in that regard, because I still feel like you're reading something very different from what I'm trying to say about that. And me saying that is separate from how much and whether or not OC3 deals with Arc specifically.

    Having said that. Arc as a character isn't really dealt with at all in OC3. I agree with that. But the concept of Archetypes is very heavily dealt with. I don't understand how you can read OC3 and disagree with that. Archetypes as a concept are relevant to Arc, or at least her history. Given Arc is Archetype: Earth, I don't understand how you can disagree with that either. It's never been the focal point of her character, but you're acting like it has nothing to do with her. The concept of Archetypes is something that's been dealt with in Tsukihime-related works for decades, and there has long since been uncertainty surrounding them.

    I wasn't trying to claim that OC3 resolves Arc's story. That's ridiculous. I'm saying that it elaborates on topics that have existed for decades. I feel like this is just a factual statement, I don't understand where the disconnect is. And, like with OC2, dealing with a long-standing topic that isn't related to FGO's main story means it's not relevant to FGO's main story but also isn't exactly filler, at least in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthot View Post
    Breasts should not have taken up a significant portion of this thread.
    It's not Jeanne without the rack filled with holiness (or unholiness in Jalter's case) tbh, outside of the meme that is Santa Alter Lancer Lily.

    Maybe this Jeanne would be a sort of Shin Jeanne (haha, multiple meanings of a japanese word), the truest, purest Jeanne without needing to use Laeticia's body, or modeled after her.

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    I for one still insist that as long as they never clarify what exactly is going on with Golden BB (i.e. if she is still the same person as she was when we first met her in SE.RA.PH.), I will consider that plot thread from OC3 unresolved. Even more so since we weren't even shown what the proper Dubai summer we were promised afterwards ended up looking like. Seriously, would it have killed them to show a few highlights in the epilogue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuberu View Post
    It's not Jeanne without the rack filled with holiness (or unholiness in Jalter's case) tbh, outside of the meme that is Santa Alter Lancer Lily.

    Maybe this Jeanne would be a sort of Shin Jeanne (haha, multiple meanings of a japanese word), the truest, purest Jeanne without needing to use Laeticia's body, or modeled after her.
    something something can't call her a saint with ti-
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    You're free, Raff. You're free...

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    She lost her breasts because Metatron knows flat is justice

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    With OC4 coming up I began to look to stories that are similar to the Divine Comedy and found this Book of Muhammad's Ladder

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    Oh my god,so much OC 3 discussion.Just release Extra Re already so we can finally understad Arc's situation in Extra's Universe.Than Remake CCC and make a sequel CCCC with Arcueid so we can see the battle between BB and Arc.

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    Quite unlikely, but one of the witnesses to be called should be Amakusa Shirou.

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    Astraea better be showing up in the Ruler Ordeal Call

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ismail2002 View Post
    Not quite what you're looking for, but i found this interesting

    Bridge Of Judgement

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    Ashoka feels so out of sync in the chapter.. completely abrahamic theme then we have a Buddhist out of knowhere

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    Ashoka has been done dirty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarly Alter View Post
    She lost her breasts because Metatron knows flat is justice
    Its twink Metatron. Trust

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