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    To be honest they are probably using Metatron as god stand in on purpsose.

    We didn't had a place where the faith in God would really go...even though by the rules of the universe we knew it had to go somewhere.
    So we basically waited.
    The fact that it created Metatron,and the way its described does imply that it goes there and also by proxy interesting enough. Does point out that God is different then just a divine spirit born out of the faith of the people. This is Metatron.

    Curious enough i am not sure if Metatron is the strongest angel. Other ones like Miguel,Gabriel and Rafael are more well known. Still
    Metratron is doing its job as Demiurge Class divine spirit.

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    Is Haya Ra'a a Judaic thing or original to this story?

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    It's in Genesis 37:20
    https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/37-20.htm

    But the context used here is different, the original meaning is something closer to "savage animal" or something.

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    Interesting, though the way they depicted the transformation, I can see how TM decided to use the term as in they indulge their sins too much. They became nothing more but "savage animals."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    It was an issue in LB1 until da Vinci built the Ortinax.
    I could have sworn that was simply Mash not being able to tap into Galahad's powers at the time. Or was that retconned as of now?

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    Nope, I recently rewatched some of the LB1 scene, at it's pretty clear that it's a mental thing. It's actually a precursor to the stuff in OC4. It boils down to Da Vinci asking Mash she is ready to do the right thing, even though it will make her be hated by people around her, since, unlike the singularities, you are basically committing genocide here and is Mash ready to face that hatred from the people there. That initial fear is what stopped her from using her powers during the Lostbelt Arcs.

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    Story Summary - Chapter 19: World End

    --- Section 1 ---

    After seeing off Geryon, the party are met with a freezing cold air. They endure it, and advance. Spread out before them is a wasteland of nothingness. The withered land is colored the gray of concrete, sterile as far as the eye can see. There are no trees, no grass, only strange rags reminiscent of people at the verge of death crawling across the landscape. Occasionally, a frozen person, a body without soul, lays strewn at the wayside. Sometimes they are even halfway buried into the ground, as if it were their grave.

    No enemies. No peril. Not a single danger. Even so, having journeyed from the first circle to the eighth...
    To Fujimaru and everyone else, the ninth circle is bizarre and harrowing beyond belief. There is nothing here. Not even death. The void, the dark, the husks. Outside of that, nothing. The ninth circle is a circular wasteland. It is divided into four areas, going from the edge to the center. Caina, the first round. Antenora, the second round. Ptolomaea, the third round, and finally... In the center, Judecca, the fourth round. With that destination in mind, the party heads ever deeper. The ninth circle of Hell, Cocytus. The deepest layer of man's sins.

    Kadoc stops. Amidst the blizzard, he sees a vision of Anastasia. He figures he must be seeing things, and sure enough, the vision of Anastasia tells him she is but a hallucination, though she also says the same thing about him. After all, he's basically a dead man walking, isn't he? Like, literally. Kadoc figures that if it's just a hallucination, he'd rather it be someone else, and so the vision takes the form of Kotomine Kirei instead. The hallucinated Kirei asks why Kadoc teamed up with Chaldea. Is it because he's afraid of dying? Or is it Hell itself he's afraid of? But Kadoc rejects both assumptions. He's neither afraid of Hell nor of dying. A surprising answer, given most people surely fear death at least.

    The vision turns into Ashoka now, and asks Kadoc why he continues walking. Kadoc has to think hard about his answer, as no easy answer comes to mind. Now, the vision splits into Kirei, Anastasia, and Ashoka all at the same time, each asking questions in turn.

    Kotomine Kirei:
    For atonement?

    Kadoc:
    That's part of it.

    King Ashoka:
    For friendship?

    Kadoc:
    That's part of it.

    Anastasia:
    For your promise?

    Kadoc:
    That's...part of it.
    Except...I feel like I can't make the promise into my purpose. Somehow, I feel like...that would be an excuse.
    "I live because she wished me to." Wouldn't that just be putting the burden on her instead?
    So it's not really because of the promise. I think...there has to be a more concrete explanation.

    The three hallucinations fade, and in their place stands a vision of Kadoc himself, in the clothes he wore as a Crypter. It asks Kadoc to clearly define what he feels, and when he can't do that, he takes a step back. He realizes this is all just him effectively having an introspective moment, standing face to face with himself here in hell. Hopefully, then, he can come to grips with an answer he would've never been able to on his own. And so the hallucination asks its final question: "Wasn't it only after coming to this Singularity that you decided you wanted to live?"

    Kadoc seems stunned, and the hallucination smiles in an almost sinister manner. Eventually Kadoc regains his composure.

    Kadoc:
    Ah, I get it. But if that's the case, I will make sure to survive.
    And that's not an answer I give as a human, but one I give because of my magus pride.
    So disappear already. I don't need to stare my sins in the face any more than this.

    And so, the hallucination finally fades. Next, we see Mashu having seemingly become separated from Guda and Kadoc, and she is likewise drawn into a hallucination. In her case, it's more full-scale, as her mind is filled with a vision of Chaldea's examination room. For a second, the image of Lilith appears in her mind, before she pushes it out. In its place, a Chaldea staff member appears, but it's not someone Mashu recognizes, even though she knew the faces of most of them.

    The man tells Mashu not to avert her eyes. That as long as she carries her shield, the burdens she carries will be many times heavier than usual, and continuing to use the shield beyond that will cause her paralyzing pain, which her Demi-Servant body will continue to heal, but never get used to. Mashu knows when this pain first started: in the seventh Lostbelt. She thinks back to the same Tepeu conversation as before, and recognizes that what he said was very true. Because of the fact that she likes everyone in Chaldea, and her Master, she understands that personal differences of value do exist. But that is the very conclusion her shield rejects. Even though it's what Tepeu and Mashu believed what is right, the shield disagrees.

    Staffer(?):
    Why would it? That shield was entrusted to you by the most noble Knight of the Round Table, Galahad.
    He is the mightiest arbiter in any Holy Grail War.
    There are no Grands for the Extra Classes, but if there were...he would unquestionably be one of them.
    Grand Ruler, Galahad.
    Know that so long as you wield that shield, you have a duty to be fair.
    Equally benevolent, punishing, and judging to all. Scales measure the weight on each of its sides...
    But if one of the sides are unbalanced from the start, they can no longer function as scales.

    Mashu cries out that she doesn't want this anymore. She doesn't want to be fair anymore. No one else is, not even Guda, so why must she? Surely she's no different from the rest. The staffer says that maybe it's the case that everyone wants to be fair, but they know they can't really be, because they will always prioritize the happiness of those closest to them. But surely, that presents a clear conclusion.

    The image of the staffer cuts out, and in its place stands Lilith, who continues to speak. She says that the conclusion they reach is simply that if Mashu ever stops bearing her shield, then surely her Master will think that "Mash Kyrielight can't fight anymore. So I'll just have to...put her somewhere safe!"

    Lilith:
    But nooope, you've just gotta keep fighting.
    Even if your arms break, if you puke blood, if your eyes are gouged out. Even if your body is hurt so bad it cannot ever recover.
    "Keep fighting for the sake of the Human Order." I mean, you gotta.
    You're a lost soul to begin with. You reached your goal at the Temple of Time and got your happy ending.
    So the rest is basically just a bonus.
    The reason, incentive, or motivation for fighting? Just leave that stupid stuff behind.
    Serve, serve, serve, fight, fight, fight and then do it all some more, forever, until the end of time.
    Perfect job for you, isn't it? I mean, aren't you already used to saving the world?

    The conversation is abruptly interrupted, as Guda calls out Mashu's name, and she snaps out of her vision. Kadoc and Guda tells her that she suddenly fell over as they were walking, and that Dante, Moriarty, and Metatron are all gone. You still have your temporary contract with Moriarty, though, so you can at least know they're not just dead. For now, you have to keep moving forward to reach Jeanne the Warden, presumably at the center of this circle. You ask if you can rely on Mashu to do all the heavy lifting, and she almost aggressively insists that there will be no problems for her to fight whatsoever.

    On the way, Kadoc asks if you and Mashu also had visions, but decides it's not his place to make you sure. There is, however, something he has to share with you. He recounts the details of him being a Crypter, of committing a sin in trying to erase Pan-Human History and attacking Chaldea. He doesn't want you to debate this. The truth is that he, and the other Crypters, did what they did, and that's important. He then proceeds to tell you that after he gave it everything he got against you in Russia, and still lost, he felt like he could have died at any point, without any regrets. The key part being that he felt like this in the past. Now, he has convinced himself that he will live until that singular moment comes. Not for anyone else's sake, but for his, and for his Servant's.

    They then have a pretty dumb exchange, where Kadoc says that he wants them to promise, when that moment comes, they won't try to stop him from dying, because it'll be very important that he does. Mashu says that if they're able to stop him from dying, they obviously will, but then Kadoc just says they won't be able to anyway, so he doesn't care if they try. It's very confusing. Ultimately, you won't agree to that, which Kadoc knew, but he still needed to tell you. Something else he needs to tell you is that you both are just way too ignorant about magecraft, and even though he's not a master himself, it's important for you to know more than basics to really have proper perspective on things. Basically he's gonna force you to study a bunch before he leaves you, as well.

    The three keep walking toward the deepest pit of hell, where according to the "Divine Comedy", Lucifer is held.
    Sometimes they laugh, sometimes they look fed up, but all the while, they do it as ordinary friends.
    Kadoc relaxes his shoulders. The end is set in stone. Now it's about how he sticks the landing.
    In a way, throughout his life, he's always been concerned with meaning.
    The meaning of life, of fighting, of protecting, of thinking...
    Maybe, by throwing all of that away, he's arrived at some...other kind of truth.
    "...I guess I don't need any of that."
    Mash doesn't know. Like the Lilith in her dream said, she doesn't know if she should keep fighting.
    Or whether she should just throw it all away and escape.
    She can't choose either, nor does she want to. But that also doesn't mean she can just stand still.
    And in addition, she can't hand over her distress to someone else. She has to overcome it alone.
    Whatever she chooses, a terrible fate awaits her.
    Lilith told her to fight. Everyone around her wants her to fight.
    So she will fight. She will accept it.
    But Mash doesn't know anymore.
    And as for Fujimaru...

    Here you're presented with three choices: think about Chaldea, think about Mashu, or think about yourself.

    Think about Chaldea:
    You ask what will happen to Chaldea once everything is over. Kadoc says the place will probably be full of investigators to take statements, and there's no way Chaldea doesn't get dismantled. Maybe Gordolf can save some of it, since he's from Policies, but he's really gonna have to try hard. This is actually where Guda apparently learns this about Gordolf, so they're quite shocked.

    Think about Mashu:
    You stare at Mashu for an uncomfortable length of time, before finally asking her what's wrong. She says nothing's wrong, and that she's the same as always, before hurrying you along. Kadoc thinks about how suspiciously Mashu is acting, but when he considers this might be her equivalent of a rebellious phase, he just seems to view her with more warmth than before.

    Think about yourself:
    You think about what you will do once this is all over. Will you have to work, or study? Kadoc thinks college is the obvious path, but Mashu seems to think worklife would suit you better. After all, you have a ton of experience by now, though whether you can actually count this on your resumé is a tossup. At the very least you've definitely gotten bolder. Kadoc says that wherever you end up, you'll do a great job. But first, you gotta save the world.

    The wind is getting stronger where you are now, and suddenly you spot the magical energy signal of a Servant, for the first time in this circle. But it's not Jeanne. It's Mordred, acting as guardian down here, and when you say you're here for the warden, she immediately initiates combat.

    [Battle against <Knight of Rebellion>] (Habetrot cannot be used)

    Mashu is sluggish in the fight, and Mordred easily gets a deep cut in. Afterwards, she sheaths her blade, finding no more joy in this fight. She tells Guda and Kadoc that they can go on to meet the warden, but she wants Mashu to stay here for a while. And so they do. Mordred recognizes the shield as the Round Table, and wonders what the situation is with Mashu and Galahad, so Mashu takes some time to explain. Mordred wonders why Mashu doesn't just discard the shield, but actually doesn't seem to care when Mashu starts retorting. What she'd rather want to know is if Galahad is here. After all, she apparently thought Mashu was either his Master or maybe even Servant. If he was, Mordred would've liked to given him a good beating.

    Mashu asks why that is, and Mordred replies that she just doesn't like him. She doesn't like how he entrusted Mashu with the Round Table, or how he's not even here himself. Also she never got to beat him up while alive. But in that case, Mordred is done with Mashu, and she's free to go on her way. But Mashu would like to ask a question of her own first, about Galahad and what kind of person he was.

    Mordred:
    Galahad was a quiet and calm lil bastard... Oh, and he liked looking at things with a greater perspective.
    Kinda like...the creepy self-proclaimed angels around here. Same machine-like nature.
    And I don't mean your everyday selfless devotion. More like he didn't have any human desires to begin with.
    Which is why he could have that absolute fairness to him. In an almost cold and detached way.
    Though, I do recall even he got a teensy bit frowny when it came to his father Lancelot...
    But well, it never seemed like he cared that much about it. Had it been me, guy woulda gotten smacked.

    Mashu feels now more than ever that she can't match that way of being. Mordred doesn't agree it was such a "right way" of living, though. After all, Galahad put everyone into his beliefs, and ultimately valued fairness over the future of Britain. In other words, he left Britain to die all because of his "right way of living". Well, maybe it wouldn't have changed anything if he did do anything, but the fact that he didn't act at all is an important act in and of itself.

    And so Mashu is sent on her way. Habetrot mulls over what she just heard, and comes to the conclusion that if that's how Galahd was, choosing fairness over the future of his country, then Mashu will be fine, because she would never make that choice. She's long since realized she could never abandon those close to her. Still, there's something about Modred's words that Habetrot feels like she's overlooked. But there's not any time to think about it before Mashu catches up with the others.

    Before them sits a huge block of ice, but in this place, it doesn't house Lucifer, the fallen angel who defied God, like in the Divine Comedy. Instead, there sits Saint Jeanne d'Arc.

    Perhaps fitting, since Metatron likely sees this Jeanne as a traitor for allying herself with Pan-Human History. Behind her is some strange light shining down on her.

    Kadoc seems to find this whole thing familiar, but can't understand why. For now, you try calling out to Jeanne, and surprisingly, she responds from within the ice. She says it's not often she has visitors down here, and before long, it appears she recognizes you as Chaldea. To be specific, it appears she still retains at least some of her memories from Orléans and the Time Temple. She says she's here precisely because of the sin of helping Pan-Human History multiple times, and so she has turned herself over to the ice. That's how things are under Metatron, and she has to respect it. That said, she's certain she would make the same choice any time you summoned her. But there's one more sin Jeanne is here to atone for: Metatron's sin.

    Jeanne:
    Her heart bleeds at how things are, and so, she has decided to purge Pan-Human History.
    And that is a sin even for her, the exalted Scribe of God.
    Metatron should be well aware of this herself.
    She will ascertain the next generation of mankind, and once that duty is over, she will abandon herself to the atonement of her sin.
    Without a shred of joy, sorrow, or anger, she will spend the rest of her immense time to pray and atone.
    If I can in any way alleviate that sin, then all the more reason to undertake this punishment in her stead.

    Jeanne doesn't grieve over this though, and if anything is only saddened by the fact that she can't join you. That said, you obviously didn't actually come here to make her join you, you just need her Certificate to challenge Metatron again, and you get it from her without any argument. You ask if she knows where your other Servants went, to which she says she sent them ahead to the Great Library of Alexandria, including the Sloth that Metatron Jeanne had discarded. She says that if you intended to challenge your verdict in court, that Sloth will provide important testimony.

    You wonder if it's really alright for Jeanne to help this much, after all, isn't she supposed to be on Metatron's side? But Jeanne says she's not on anyone's side. To her, Pan-Human History and the unknown history that Metatron is trying to bring about hold equal worth. Mashu supposes that's fairness, but Jeanne says there's nothing fair about it. A fog suddenly envelops Mashu, and she feels as if Jeanne's standing right next to her. The saint asks if Mashu also aims to become part of the Ruler class, but she says that she's just trying to be fair. Trying, and failing.

    Jeanne:
    In life, unfairness forms endlessly. You have to live with the agony of that unfairness.
    The pain of bearing that unfairness is something that comes with trying to be fair.
    Mash. There is another choice. Right now, you cannot see it, but there is another.
    But that will surely prove itself an even more difficult path.
    Even though I know you have that choice, I believe you are better off as you are now.
    Fair, level-headed, calm.
    I'm sorry. I may have lent you too much of a hand.
    But it is fortunate that I was able to discuss this with you, if only briefly. You, mankind of the present, who stands at the edge of time.
    Whatever you decide, whatever you choose, I will validate all of it, whatever it may be.

    The fog fades, and you call out to Mashu. From your perspective, it appears as if she just spaced out for a bit. Jeanne tells you she cannot tell you any more, or it'll surely count as her taking a side. However, she does say that right or wrong doesn't matter as much as whether you did what you did by your own will. That's what will matter the most.

    --- Section 2 ---

    You meet up with Sloth Jeanne, Moriarty, and Dante again, and fill them in on the details of your conversation with Jeanne. It's too bad that you've lost one of your avenues of attack against Metatron in the case, but at least now with all seven certificates you can access the library again without issue, since you have the approval of all the wardens. So you head inside, show the certificates, and ask to see every legal text concerning this Singularity. However, as if we didn't have enough filler already, the librarian tells you that to read these books you must be acknowledged by them, so you literally have to fight them.

    [Battle against <Civil Law Book & Criminal Law Book & Case Law Book & Singularity Law Book>] (Habetrot cannot be used)

    --- Section 3 ---

    Since you can't actually take the books out of the library, you'll have to stay here while Moriarty and Dante pour over the texts. After killing some time, you're told that you're allowed to stay the night here, though there are no sleeping facilities. Mashu mentions that Romani used to push two chairs together to make a bed whenever he had a lot of work, which prompts Kadoc to note that it's not often they bring up Romani at all.

    Mashu says it's not like she tries to avoid it or anything, just that whenever she does, she can feel her memories fading more and more. She mentions how there were many of Chaldea's staff who died that day because of Lev's bomb, and how she still remember the names and faces of a lot of them. However...

    The more the days pass, the fainter my memories grow.
    The names remain, but their voices, their faces, and all other unnecessary information is fading.
    And there is something very sad about that to me. Even so...
    I think this sadness is that of having lost someone close to me. If so, isn't that unfair of me?
    Thinking about that has made me hesitate to say the Doctor's name.
    It feels almost like his existence is proof of my own unfairness.

    But Kadoc and Jeanne say it's only natural that memories fade with time. If for no other reason, remembering sad things is painful, so if you were to hold on to those memories forever, you'd forever be sad and the dead would become the tormentors of the living. But Mashu can't help but feel that she'd gladly stay sad forever if it meant never forgetting the Doctor.

    Once it's bedtime, Mashu decides to stay up a while longer and talk to the librarian. He asks to confirm what Heroic Spirit she's fused with, and muses to himself about whether Galahad entrusted her with his power because he empathized with her, or if there was something he found unpardonable regarding her. When he notes that Mashu is obviously dealing with a very deep issue, she says that's true, and that the answer to that seems further away now than ever. But the librarian says something that surprises her: just because that's the answer, doesn't make it the truth. And something being the truth doesn't always mean it's right.

    Later on, Mashu is spending some time outside the library. She looks up at the sky. From here, she can't see the Storm Border, only an ashen sky. The chilling bite of Hell doesn't bother her, as her mind is engulfed in thoughts about truthfulness/righteousness and ideals/dreams. What does snap her out of her thoughts is a massive tremor.

    There is nowhere left to run. We are already at the bottom of Hell, with nowhere to go.
    Before the library stands a girl with her shield readied.
    I have cornered them.
    Wherever she runs, however he runs, I will always keep chasing them, and so now I am here.
    Faking their deaths was clever.
    Had I not committed to the irregular action of investigating this personally, there was a high chance of them getting away.
    But I did not believe they had had died, and so, I kept chasing them.
    I will erase them once and for all, and make the Seven Mistresses whole again.
    With Popess Johanna purged, the only Servant suitable to become the seventh Ruler is her.
    Praise be to this world's new arbiter. You will be a wonderful Ruler.

    The Judge, Metatron Jeanne, addresses Mashu from high above.

    Judge:
    Unseal---
    Omnipotent is He Who Presides
    Univers Immortel Metatron


    Mashu calls out to her Master, but there is no response. Metatron has stopped time outside of the Bounded Field surrounding the two of them, making them the only things capable of moving right now. Metatron tells Mashu that she has been charged with an additional crime: that of incitement. She says it was because of Chaldea's actions that Johanna revolted, and why Metatron had to kill her. The wardens had always been allowed to administer their respective circles however they wished, and were allowed to hand over their Scales Certificate however they chose, so Metatron's conclusion is that the only logical reason why Johanna would have rebelled would be because she was influenced by Mashu's actions. And that definitely makes Mashu guilty of a sin. The verdict will have to wait until after their battle.

    [Battle against <Judge>] (Mashu solo fight. On the first turn, Mashu will be stunned and instakilled.)

    Mashu doesn't stand a chance, but Metatron will grant her a chance at atonement, and in so doing, save her life.

    Judge:
    Be merciful, temperate, and have high morals. Employ the power of justice, and judge everything fairly, with great prudence.
    The newest arbiter, Mash Kyrielight. We welcome you.
    Until then, you can feel free to relax within my womb. I'm sure you will change your mind.
    When your class has changed to Ruler, we will meet again. By then, I'm sure your rusty shield will have regained its former luster.

    Mashu is restrained by golden rings of light, and forced into something like spirit form, before she's absorbed by Metatron. To Metatron's surprise, Lilith just waltzes right into the Bounded Field. Cancelling out the timestop is an incredibly impressive feat, but this should only be possible with a Grail Drop, of which Lilith has obviously collected a lot by now. Metatron says Mashu will be reborn a Ruler, and that Lilith wouldn't have been able to win against her regardless. She may be a demon from the Age of Gods, but she would have never been able to overcome Mashu holding her shield in full glory. Metatron will let Lilith go unscathed this one time, but Lilith gets an idea. If Mashu is inside her womb, then Lilith's children could be used here.

    The screen fades to black before we get to hear what they're planning, and in the next scene we see Guda and co break the Bounded Field and confront Metatron. You're told that Mashu will become a Ruler, just and fair, and consider her achievements, that she'll surely ascend to the Throne as well. Guda is fuming, ready to strike at Metatron, but Kadoc holds them back. There's obviously no use in attacking her like that.

    Metatron confirms she's come here to execute you. Since your sentence was that of exile, and you found residence in Purgatory, it's entirely logical that she'll have to carry out execution because of you breaking the sentence originally given to you. Sloth Jeanne asks if that includes her, and while Metatron says it would include anyone who helps Chaldea, there's no point in killing Sloth Jeanne, because she can't do anything against Metatron anyway. Sloth Jeanne argues this for a while longer, until it becomes clear that she was actually just stalling for time. Moriarty and Dante have finished reading the books, and are ready to take their place as your legal cousel.

    --- Section 4 ---

    With the Certificates in hand, you're able to make your appeal, which Metatron most judge, as the executor of God's will. Of course, the moment the appeal was submitted it was made so that any further punishment would have to be deferred until the appeal is resolved, and so the imminent battle is averted. However, she says, you're still under sentence of exile, and since you're at the bottom of Hell right now, that means there's nowhere for you to go, which would entail an obstruction of your already existing sentence. To solve this, Moriarty requests a deal. The Certificates contain great power, and with all seven combined they should rival the power of a Holy Grail. Considering you have the person who created the Singularity here with you, it's possible he could use this power to undo much of the Singularity. Thus, the deal is that you won't use the Certificates for any purpose other than the appeal, and in exchange Metatron says that she herself will stay her attack.

    Moriarty is too quick to accept the deal, and Metatron immediately puts both condition into law in this Singularity. Of course, she only included herself in her part of the deal, just like she said, but not the angels. And so, as a bunch of angels arrive to carry out your exile sentence, Metatron leaves, saying she'll await you at the courthouse, if you survive.

    You've gotta escape, and quick. Dante recites how he escaped back to Purgatory in the Divine Comedy, by climbing Lucifer's body into a corridor where gravity is reversed. Unfortunately, Lucifer isn't here in this Singularity, but Jeanne d'Arc is. Specifically, he points out that the light shining behind her was likely a ladder of sorts. Jacob's Ladder, that is.

    Ptolemy appears, saying he'll help you out. He's shutting down the library now that you've been here, and hopes that you'll be able to destroy this Singularity for good. He disagrees with how Metatron handles sinners and punishment, and how this punishment of never reaching Heaven is something that's been applied to all of human history, instead of on a personal level, and he just can't agree with that. He also turns to Guda, and asks what they would do if Mashu can't fight any longer.

    Fujimaru:
    There's no whats about it!
    Mash is my most beloved and precious kouhai!

    Ptolemy is satisfied with your answer, and asks you to flee now. He manages to hold off most of the angels, but a few of them catch up to you as you're running, forcing you into battle again.

    [Battle against <3x Angel (5th rank)> + <2x Angel (4th rank)> + <Angel (3rd rank)>] (Mashu cannot be used. You must defeat the first two waves in 2 turns each, and the third wave in 4 turns, or you lose)

    You reach Jeanne, who activates the "ladder" for you.

    She tells you to take care not to fall, as the laws of physics are still intact here regarding that at least. You start making your way up the staircase, but your mind is heavy with thoughts of Mashu. Sloth Jeanne says you still have an active contract with her, so you know for sure she's not dead still. All you can do right now is survive for her sake. She'll come back, that much is certain. Sloth Jeanne just hopes that she doesn't come back as a Ruler, which would make her your enemy.
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    Kadoc thinks about how suspiciously Mashu is acting, but when he considers this might be her equivalent of a rebellious phase, he just seems to view her with more warmth than before.
    She might even stay up past her bedtime next.
    Until then, you can feel free to relax within my womb.
    Lewd.

    Thanks for the summaries so far. I dig how Mordred shows up again to pep talk Matt. Also the reference to correctness vs. rightness.
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    Meh, no vision for Ritsuka is a wasted opportunity for some character stuff, but at least they gave him some choices. I tried checking if Gordolf being from Policy was ever brought up in Main Story with Ritsuka present, and apparently it really wasn't. And nobody told him this at any point? Lame.

    Fujimaru:
    There's no whats about it!
    Mash is my most beloved and precious kouhai!
    Then why did you seem to be willing to sell her with little to no doubts or reservations? What exactly was your plan if it didn't work out by the magic of the plot, and you would actually have to give Mash over to Caren?
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    You should check the scene in Neo's channel honestly, the whole thing is treated more as a joke rather than serious. It pretty much exists to get Mashu blushing face and another Mashu vs Lilith talk, plus that final speech with Caren and Mashu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelious View Post
    Then why did you seem to be willing to sell her with little to no doubts or reservations? What exactly was your plan if it didn't work out by the magic of the plot, and you would actually have to give Mash over to Caren?
    Because the task from Caren was to find something worth 10B QP, not give it to her. We weren't selling Mash, we were selling the idea that Mash is someone worth 10B QP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    You should check the scene in Neo's channel honestly, the whole thing is treated more as a joke rather than serious. It pretty much exists to get Mashu blushing face and another Mashu vs Lilith talk.
    I am up to date with Neo's translations. It may have started as a joke, but it didn't stay as a joke, it became actual plan, and our MC didn't seem concerned that he may actually have to give away his best and oldest friend. I am all for exploration of Mash's character via "let's sell her" plotline, but it's the part where the game ignores Ritsuka's reaction to that plotline that annoys me.
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    Story Summary - Chapter 20: Welcome to Hell, Mash Kyrielight

    --- Section 1 ---

    Mashu is surrounded by white, but at least Habetrot managed to materialize in here. If Metatron has a Divine Spirit-class Saint Graph, then it would make sense for her to have a mental world the size of a large city, and if she's really an archangel then her inner world might even be a whole universe. That must be where they are right now. But suddenly, a road cuts through the whiteness.

    Since there's nothing else here, the two of them decide to simply walk along the road. But this must also be what Metatron has in mind, to force Mashu to accept the fairness she's been contemplating and turning her into a Ruler. Habetrot tries to think about what would be required to do so. Age and appearance obviously don't matter, and she should already be strong enough, so the only thing remaining is fairness bordering on cruelty. And how do you acquire such fairness? It seems Habetrot figured it out, but we don't get to know for now. All we know is that Habetrot is sure she'll be able to help. They spot a building further ahead, and decide to head inside. There, they spot a familiar face.

    This being introduces herself as Metatron Jeanne as well, and as an archangel who has incarnated as a Servant inside the vessel of a saint. This Metatron presumes Mashu is here because she wants to become a Ruler, and even though Mashu says no, she tries to lead Mashu on. When Mashu declines again, Metatron sighs. Then why has she come here? Mashu decides to just tell the truth about everything that's happened, which results in this Metatron seemingly thinking the Judge has been rather tyrannical. She asks to see Mashu's soul more closely.

    Metatron Jeanne:
    Your rebirth as a Demi-Servant occurred in 2015. The achievements that make you a Heroic Spirit are records of 2016.
    Ah, as I thought. You becoming a Ruler here is for the best.
    Rather than staying a Demi-Servant and becoming a phenomenon that can only exist in 2016...
    I think it's better if you become registered as a real Servant in the Throne of Heroes.
    Your memories exist in this library as books. Toss them away. Go on without them.
    They are not needed for a Ruler. Holding on to them will only hurt you.

    Mashu pulls away. But Metatron doesn't seem to care. She has already determined that things will turn out this way. By her Authority, Mashu will be robbed of her memories, and they will be kept here for safe keeping. What's needed is her heart, not what's in these bookshelves. Then, Metatron tells her to visit the library once more, and after a bright flash, Mashu and Habetrot find themselves back on the road. For a second, it seems like Mashu's memories might have slipped away, but she's sure she remembers everything clearly. The only thing they can do now is to keep walking down the road again. But even if she remembers everything, Mashu can't help but feel like something's been lost. Something that should go along with the memories. Her feelings from back in the day. The feelings she once held dear.

    There was a battle. There was a decision. There was a threat. There was fear.
    There was passion. There was happiness. There was joy. There was sorrow.
    There was, and yet...all of those things feel like nothing but scribblings on a page.
    Little by little, I feel the scales tipping.
    No, that's not quite right. My already tipped scales are now going back to normal.
    And that's the right thing. It has to be the right thing.
    And yet, I feel an unease clawing at my chest. I'm fearful of how I am about to change.
    Becoming a Ruler.
    For some reason, the choice that I rejected just a few moments ago now feels like the most natural thing in the world.
    Not because I've been brainwashed, but because my emotions have lost their color--that choice has grown ever more pronounced.

    --- Section 2 ---

    Guda and co are back in Purgatory, and have spent the last power (it seems, at least) of the Grail Dagger putting the Granato back in place. Moriarty says what you need to do right now is prepare for your time in court, which would involve both collecting necessary information but also doing some practice debates. You run into Ashoka and tell him what's happened, and ask if he won't help save Mashu, to which he replies doing so would be a terrible mistake. He says that if you save her, she will only become lost in the Hell she's already inside. Instead, he asks you to just wait for her, but when you ask if she'll come back if you do, Ashoka just says no.

    An image of Mashu's body covered in blood, from OC2, flashes across your mind, as Ashoka continues explaining that this is Mashu's battle, and her path to walk. There is nothing you can do but wait, and regardless, you stand no chance of victory without her anyway. Guda reluctantly nods, and then leaves. Dante wonders why it is that Guda, who alongside Mashu overcame the Incineration and Lostbelts alike, now seems to have so little faith in Mashu. Perhaps there was some traumatic event to force this attitude?

    We see Guda enter their room, feeling ill, their vision blurry as the image of a bloodied Mashu flashes across their mind again. They pass out, and are awoken by a knock on the door. Depending on who you think is the one knocking, the scene changes here.

    Kadoc knocking:
    Kadoc comes in and helps you onto your bed. He asks that you tell him about what's gotten into you, so he doesn't have to worry about you collapsing on the battlefield. You talk about Mashu, and your worries about having her away from you. Kadoc can only give you some magus-like advice: try to forget about Mashu for now. He knows it's not that easy, but at least try. There's nothing you can do right now, and once she comes back it would be bad if you'd worried so much you'd gotten ill.

    You ask if Kadoc can watch over you a bit as you sleep, and he agrees. Once you've fallen asleep, he thinks to himself about what Ashoka said. Mashu becoming lost inside a hell she's already in has to be a metaphor, he thinks, like a bad end, but more than that he wonders why it is that they stand no chance of winning without her. Could it be that the person most central to this Singularity is actually Mashu herself?

    Jeanne knocking:
    Jeanne comes in and tells you that you gotta sleep in a bed, and helps get you into it, all while calling you Akechi for reasons she doesn't even know (or care to explain) herself. Actually, she put down a second bed as well, and she'll stay here with you for tonight. You have trouble falling asleep, and she tries to get your mind off things with some jokes, but it doesn't work too well. She asks why you have so little faith in Mashu, and you have to explain that's not it, and share the real reason you worry (it fades to black here but I assume you share the events of OC2). Your vengeful wrath may have been quelled, but your fear of loss remains imprinted in you.

    Jeanne gently takes your hand. Normally a Servant should say something like "even if you're worried, you gotta watch over her", or like, "even if things get really bad, you gotta get back up anyway". But she says she just loves the wrong answers just as much as she does the right ones, so that's why her suggestion is to just Sloth it out together, whining and crying all the way. And if you're still worried, you can just go and save Mashu together. After a long pause, you say that you'll just wait for Mashu, for now.

    I wonder just how much determination it took for you to string those words together?
    The stronger the bond, the greater the fear of loss becomes.
    Ridding himself of that fear would surely make him happy.
    But instead, he chose the path of not doing so. The path of acceptance, of waiting and seeing.
    Even though not thinking too hard about it and just taking action would be more Slothful...
    he chose to not go down that path.
    And as for me, there is very little I can do for him. Nothing more than hold his hand.
    his face is still full of worry, even with his eyes closed. Even holding his hand, that doesn't change.
    I'm so close and so capable, and yet I can't even comfort the single person right in front of me.
    Not even I...who holds the power of an archangel--of the Scribe of God.
    It's not like you need me to tell you to do your best. But Master...
    "You don't have to do that, you can take it easy and rest."
    That is what I wish from the bottom of my heart, but...well...
    Refusing to do so is also what makes you, you, Master.
    That said, Mash's situation is perilous. And not because she was left behind in Hell.
    But because she's the core of this whole Singularity.

    Lilith knocking:
    Lilith enters, and asks if you want to talk about Mashu for a bit. But before that, she picks you up and puts you on the bed. You ask about Mashu, but Lilith has her own question first. She gets that you have a strong bond, but being this worried is still a bit much, isn't it? Something must have happened in the past to cause this, and she's trying to figure out why. It can't just have been a dream, so it must have been something more real. She mentions how Chaldea's Avengers became shadows, only able to fight but nothing else, and ask if that's related. When you ask how she knows that much, she backs up a bit, and apologizes for revealing too much.

    Next, you ask why she hates Mashu that much. Before she gets into it, she says that she's also more than ready to die for this cause as well. If Mashu really wanted to fight her to the death, she'd gladly accept, and wouldn't complain the slightest if it got her killed. That said, she would like you to not ask why, even if she knows she'll be hard to trust. She just hates Mashu, and she doesn't want anyone taking that feeling away from her.

    But despite all this, she knows that you won't try to kill her still, and she finds that harder to believe than anything. You know full well that she's trying to kill Mashu, and yet you won't just take care of her before she becomes a problem. Your only response is that as of this moment, she's not your enemy yet. We actually get inner monologuing from Guda here, where they think about how they can't quite place Lilith. Even though she says she's Mashu's enemy, which makes her Chaldea's enemy, her attitude and actions tell a different story. And besides, Mashu had said that this is something she herself needs to take care of. But if she ever harms Mashu, you'll personally make her pay. At that point it will no longer be revenge, but completely justifiable retribution.

    Lilith seems content with that things ending up that way. But she wants to make it really clear that this really isn't something forced on her by her Master or anything. Her hatred for Mashu is all her own. And that makes her think, she doesn't want to just talk about Mashu. She would like to talk about you. Sure, she already knows the things you went through (for reasons she won't say still), but she wants to know about your feelings, and your experiences. Since you don't know where to start, she suggests talking about Uruk, and so you tell her about the people who lived there.

    Lilith finds it satisfying that you could still find joy in the Singularities, especially because from what little she remembers of her own life, it wasn't very happy. Well, she'll leave you to sleep now. As she steps out into the hallway, she thinks about how loved Mashu is, but quickly snaps back into her usual self. Before she walks away, she hears a voice from inside your room, and heads back to check up on you (the implication here being that your nightmares made you talk in your sleep, and Lilith stayed by your side just like the other two did).

    (Branching ends here)

    The next morning, Jeanne has "made breakfast" for you all, by which she means getting milk and cereal out for you. You stuff yourself full with food, and later get on with the practice debate. Jeanne and Amakusa will be spectators for this. The teams will be Guda and Moriarty against Dante and Kadoc. The first practice topic is a trivial one: "coffee or tea". The next round will be about punishing sinners. Moriarty and Dante will assist with legal matters wherever necessary. Then, the third round will be about Chaldea's actual sentence.

    [Battle against <Dante Aligheri & 2x Coffee Argument> + <Dante Aligheri & Bailiff & Convict> + <Dante Aligheri & Judge & Legal Text>] (Mashu and Habetrot cannot be used. Kadoc acts as an enemy Master in this battle. Battle ends when you break Dante's bar in the third wave)

    --- Section 3 ---

    If there's anything you learned from that practice session, it's just how hard it'll be to argue for your case in the trial. Dante reveals he was actually debating poorly on purpose (at least in the third round), because he couldn't use the actual core argument you would later hinge your case on. Moriarty explains that what he wants to do is employ the Plan of Carneades. Since you obviously don't know what that is, Dante explains.

    Dante:
    The Plank of Carneades is a thought experiment on how to measure justice against sin.
    Suppose there is a man who has been thrown into the sea after his boat has capsized...
    Fortunately, right next to him, there is a plank of the destroyed ship, and by holding onto it, the man is able to avoid drowning.
    But as it happens, another man is holding onto the plank as well, and the plank cannot support them both.
    The first of the men thus has no choice but to push the other man into the sea.
    The man who survived is charged with murder, but on account of the situation, the judge declares him innocent.
    This situation is also called "in extremis".

    The idea is that you expand this from one person to Chaldea and all of Pan-Human History, which was under threat of destruction by the Lostbelts. In other words, that you had no choice but to save the world, which is perfectly logical. Acting to save Pan-Human History must certainly not be a sin. They make a point about how this isn't the same as self-defense, because it's about two people's right to live colliding, and in legal matters, it is most often the case that the surviving party in this case is shown priority. In other words, this isn't like a "might makes right" situation, it's just how the law is applied.

    Now, as for dealing with counter-arguments by the prosecutor, you expect he will bring up the number of living beings slaughtered, which would arguably go far beyond what was actually necessary, but Moriarty's plan here is to use the population of Pan-Human History as of 2017 as a counter-point. Not to mention all the non-human lives that were lost as well, especially because a lot of the Lostbelts didn't even have animals, and if they did, there was very little diversity among them.

    Now, another matter that you'll have to deal with is trying to persuade the court that the Lostbelts were inferior worlds. This seems to be something that Guda is strongly against, and doesn't actually believe, but Moriarty explains that in real cases of in extremis it doesn't matter who is "inferior", both parties are of equal worth. If that were to apply in a world vs world situation such as this, the prosecutor would relentlessly pursue that point and your whole argument would be pointless.

    They realize that you don't agree with this, but there's no other choice. The issue is that you can't lie. Thus, you have to just know when to keep quiet, no matter how high the pressure is. If you can't do that, then they'll just never call you as a witness, and Moriarty and Dante will have to fight the whole legal battle themselves. For that reason, your next practice session will be to imagine the courtroom and to "simulate" the proceedings.

    [Battle against <Moriarty & Pressure>] (Mashu and Habetrot cannot be used. The story will continue whether you win or lose this fight. Battle win condition is breaking Moriarty's bar.)

    You finish the practice session, and you look like you're about to throw up from the pressure. Amakusa and Jeanne take you outside to help you calm down, which helps a bit. They talk about how on your way to the court you'll have to face a lot of high-order angels, because of the way Metatron is holding your agreement to the letter. Obviously, it seems she doesn't even want Pan-Human History to succeed in the first place, which is still probably fair in her mind, somehow. Or perhaps, that's her love at work.

    You don't really understand, but Amakusa explains that to Metatron, Purgatory and Hell are like tokens of her love for mankind. If their ends are all pathetic either way, then they should at least spare no effort for themselves. Amakusa is sure you encountered heroes with similar convictions on your journey to restore the Human Order, which makes you think of the Lion King.

    You get a choice here if you want to stay outside for a while longer or go inside already, and if you choose the latter you skip like a massive portion of this whole section, so we're not going to do that. Instead, Amakusa heads back on his own and you stay outside with Jeanne. Actually, your first thought is how different from the actual Jeanne this one is, but she says that's only natural. After all, she's only borrowing her appearance. But still, she asks if you didn't have a bunch of variants of Jeanne with different personalities as well. You get to talking about Jeanne Alter, and what you thought of her. You think back to OC2 again, and Jeanne understands that she must have been a really important Servant to you, just like Mashu is. But Mashu isn't your Servant, you say, as images of her in the Time Temple flash across your mind. She's the dearest --- you could ever ask for.

    You decide to head back, and Jeanne stays behind a little while longer. She wishes she could help you out in some way, but the only thing that she can think of is smacking Lilith around for eavesdropping. This prompts Lilith to come out of her hiding place, and Jeanne does indeed smack her over the head. However, she says that she's in no position to meddle in "you and your Master's business", so any more than this is just a hassle. When Lilith asks what Jeanne thinks of her, Jeanne just says that she definitely doesn't deserve to die. Still, Lilith has her own battle with Mashu to take care of, so she's gonna have it rough.

    You head back to the others for more practice, since you can't afford not to take the opportunities you have right now. After some more torture, you finally head back to your room, exhausted. Dante comes in and tries to cheer you up by making you fill out a quiz form to see who or what you're romantically interested in, which turns out to be one of those tiger tanks from China. Anyway, he says the point of all this is that he got a better understanding of your ability to like things and see the positive in them. Throughout all your travels, you never once lost your faith in people, even your sword enemies, and even if you had to deal with some difficult feelings, there's a beauty in how you view things.

    Before he leaves, Dante has one more thing to say, and it's about Mashu.

    Dante:
    I've heard she's a Demi-Servant of Galahad of the Round Table.
    And if so, her final destination is obviously to become just like Galahad.
    Being fair and benevolent to all also means being coldly objective to all.
    She won't be allowed love or romance, but will only continue to fight on like a machine.
    And if that happens, I would find it very sad... Heheh, but maybe I think too hard about these things...

    In the next scene, we're back with Mashu and Habetrot on the road. Habetrot notes that Mashu's demeanor is clearly changing, that her expressions are becoming sharper, and her footsteps are taken with less and less doubt. In this specific scenario, those are bad things. Mashu is obviously changing into something, or someone, else, and she doesn't even know it. She's now just moving to the library because that's what she needs to do, without any of the feelings attached to that directive.

    Habetrot asks what Mashu will do if she can't leave this place without becoming a Ruler, to which Mashu replies that in that case she'll just have to become a Ruler. As for dealing with the Singularity after that, Mashu shows uncertainty. She says that if what Metatron says is right, then maybe this Singularity has more worth existing than not, and shouldn't be resolved. Habetrot keeps her cool and says that Singularities have to be resolved, no matter what, no matter how sad that may be. That's the path Mashu and Chaldea have chosen. Mashu reluctantly agrees that they have no grounds to agree with Metatron, especially not after everything they've done.

    It's not much, but Habetrot can tell the core parts of Mashu's personality are still intact in there somewhere. Metatron might want to turn her into a Ruler, no matter the cost, but as long as Habetrot is here, she'll make sure that never happens.
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    Strong night scenes with Sloth and Lilith.

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    The bit with Matt having the records but not the emotions kind of reminds me of KnK.
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    Strong night scenes with Sloth and Lilith.

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    The bit with Matt having the records but not the emotions kind of reminds me of KnK.
    Yeah, but it's also basically what Servants in general have to go through with each manifestation.

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    FGO went all out for chapter 26, wow.
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    Seeing the common thread between Avenger, Mooncancer, and now Ruler, I wonder how much of this has been marinating in Nasu's brain. Memories. A heart that will carry all its memories into the end of time, a heart that watches as memories are passed down to the next generation, a heart untainted by memories that can make the perfect judgement.

    Lore-compliant class affinity triangle...

    Avenger (clinging to memory) is beaten by Mooncancer (passing down memory) is beaten by Ruler (lacking any memory) is beaten by Avenger (keep bringing up memory).

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