Just because it's fair doesn't mean it's just.
Just because it's fair doesn't mean it's just.
There's a difference between missing the point and disagreeing with the premise of said points. Like I said, by the end Guda just accepts his guilt and punishment instead of questioning whether it might be the rules themselves that are wrong.
And if their conscience is guilty, then nobody can ever judge them other than themselves. But of course, the conscience itself can be wrong too. An awful lot, as a matter of fact.
Summaries aren't there yet and I am not fond of MTL. What exactly pissed you off?Originally Posted by InsertNameHere
Further ahead, where the game railroads Ritsuka into pleading guilty and being willing to accept his punishment - a stayed punishment, but a punishment nevertheless. If you try to say no to the questions "do you admit your guilt" and "do you accept your punishment", you're looped back to the beginning of the conversation.
Like, I get it that Ritsuka has been feeling bad about the whole thing since Ivan told him what destroying the Trees would mean, but it's like he's forgotten everything that Paxti, Adele, Macarios, Tepeu, and so many others have told him about not backing down from his path in favor of actively wanting to be punished regardless of his actual culpability.
The slice of life in the first third was kinda goated tbh. But yeah the middle is pretty tame.
Sissyfist actually finds purpose in pushing the rock up to no avail.
People who ask questions during the movie like I know the answer are something else. Keep watching!
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This is perfectly in-character for him. He accepts the punishment so long as he's able to do what he set out to do. His resolve is unwavering. And mind you, just because he made the choice doesn't mean he doesn't agree with the premise of Metatron's questions. He's sacrificing himself because he thinks it's worth it.
You first whine that it's unfair that Chaldea has to be put on a trial at all - it's been painfully obvious that this is happening because the literal antagonist is forcing it upon Chaldea - this is the whole premise of the story. Actions have consequences, you brought this point yourself - now you're whining about the fact that Guda wants to take responsibility for the consequences of his own actions?
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One must imagine the willing bait takers happy
Ritsuka being always railroaded into nicest, dumbest, most lawful person is nothing new. Although when that happens the game usually straight up does not offer any choice to the player. I don't know why it went extra mile this time, gonna have to wait to see the exact situation.
Also, I must point out, admitting your own guilt does not mean you also agree to stop doing what you consider right, same with accepting the punishment.
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It annoys me here because in this case, that "responsibility" is steeped in moralizing and condemnation such that he'd be screwed over no matter what he did. If I had any confidence that the sentence would be just "you have to restore PHH" or "live knowing how many people died for your sake", I wouldn't be so suspicious about it. But as it is, it sounds more like Metatron is just waiting for the right time to send them to hell again. And Guda just accepts that in what I can only see as some kind of self-flagellation. With that logic, he doesn't even need to be punished because there's nothing Metatron can do that he won't do to himself first.
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Likewise, if you don't want the player to have a choice you shouldn't be offering one at all. And IMO admitting guilt is just admitting to feeling guilty, it says nothing about whether that guilt is justified or if the punishment is warranted.
It's clear that you barely can read the story enough to understand it, so it's kind of forgivable, but your disingenuous dismissal of the story's premise is getting annoying.
The big point that this chapter is trying to tell is this - to be a Ruler, one must be impartial, meaning, you have to judge everyone equally. This is important because right after that dialogue choice where you confessed guilt, Metatron proceeds to reveal that:
She's moralizing because that's literally her damn job lol, but she's not condemning you, it's not a self-flagellation, she just wants Guda to just be honest to themselves about how they feel about the Lostbelt arc.All humans and Servants gathered in this trial.
Each of you bears equal guilt and punishment — and the right to be forgiven.
I'm not asking Guda to stop feeling guilty about it. I am, however, irritated that they have to go entirely to the opposite extreme and accept more guilt than is actually justifiable. And what kind of forgiveness is a vaguely defined punishment where the most she can say is that it "probably" won't be painful?
The sheer mass of your presence is frighteningly immense. You manage to bend the spacetime of the forums to your gravitational field without fail, and every poster orbits around your posts and no other discussion is held. How do you do it? Countless trolls have tried, and failed, to replicate what you do earnestly. Stand Proud.
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If you want to talk about something else, be my guest. Don't go stopping on my account.
I mean, it's not like you have absolutely nothing else to discuss about the chapter than my spicy hot takes...right?
I maintain that unwitting baiters are good for the health of this site because otherwise it would just be boring and inactive.
I'll choose to take that as a compliment rather than an insult.
If you read the chapter you'd know you're wrong
Also if anything your takes like spice, like someone that doesn't understand flavoring
Honestly it might just be that this chapter is otherwise a big nothing burger aside from the last few chapters: there's barely anything of interest; no new big lore drop, no serious power level-discussion worthy fights, etc - just pure psedo philo babble, might as well try to deconstruct of it in a roundabout way.
Why is it not possible to understand the chapter and still disagree with its conclusions regarding Ritsuka being a sinner? Or are you just asking me to be so outrageously optimistic as to assume the stayed sentencing will just be a stern lecture and a promise not to be naughty again? I'll be blunt when I say I have no confidence it'll be that mild.
No, I mean you'd understand you're wrong in the sense the chapter is like two thirds nothing happening
I already knew that, which is why I'm not wasting my time talking about those two thirds. I'm just saying that if what I'm saying is all just baiting and trolling, you're still the ones who are replying to it anyway. And at least I'm trying to scrutinize the central points it's trying to make rather than just venting my anxieties like last OC.
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