New Rules and Possible Adding to Mod-force.

[Erlkonig]

I hardly believe that alf (or anyone else in this forum for that matter) is going to be unfairly banning people left and right without any cause whatsoever.

-.-

This x Infinite

[Kotonoha]

Well, I am not fine with Alf as a mod, hence why I'm arguing against it so forcefully. If he was picked, I suspect it would almost certainly end with me getting banned, because I simply cannot stand him and do not remotely trust his decisions.

IIRC, mods can't ban people without discussing it with the rest of the mods.

[Tobias]

they cant, but dont let that get in the way.

*munches popcorn*

[Mike1984]

I know they can't, but they can still do other stuff, and they can certainly cause me to get myself banned for arguing with their bullshit.

[Mellon]

I know they can't, but they can still do other stuff, and they can certainly cause me to get myself banned for arguing with their bullshit.

Oh yes, everyone who does not blindly share your opinions is talking "bullshit".

Please. You are hardly the innocent party in these debates. You spew as much (if not more) "bullshit" as anyone arguing against you.

[Erlkonig]

Right, tobias. Not worth it.

Anyway, I disagree with Mike on Alf not being a candidate. He might be biased, yes- But he's fair, and I don't think he would do something like that. Regardless, Froggie is right in that Alf does not have a lot of time on his hands, and thus should not be bothered.

IMHO, Leo is the best candidate. He's got time, he's got the seriousness, and he's got the patience. His location doesn't matter, because I've seen him be logged in for very long amounts of time. Also, he has shown little bias, instead doing what he could to maintain order and control the situation. Definitely mod material to me.

[Milbunk]

I honestly have to agree with Koto here, I don't think that Leo would be very suited for the job. Mainly because of what happened in the Reunion.

[Tobias]

I honestly have to agree with Koto here, I don't think that Leo would be very suited for the job. Mainly because of what happened in the Reunion.

yeah, that's what my conclusion came to. I am sorry, I don't really know the guy, so maybe I am doing a disservice, but it took me about a skimmed 15 posts to mentally disqualify everyone involved in that from consideration.

[Mike1984]

Anyway, I disagree with Mike on Alf not being a candidate. He might be biased, yes- But he's fair, and I don't think he would do something like that. Regardless, Froggie is right in that Alf does not have a lot of time on his hands, and thus should not be bothered.

Alf is heavily biased and I have not seen any sign of "fairness". If he is appointed as a mod I will basically have to quit the forum entirely, because I simply cannot work with him or trust him to take that position, and if he tried to moderate me I would get banned for arguing with him or flaming him because I simply do not trust his judgement. I avoid his games for this reason (even though I would quite like to play Heaven's Gate), but I cannot avoid his modding.

To me, the very fact that even one forumite opposes it this strongly should be sufficient to deny it. A mod doesn't have to be liked by everyone, but they cannot be hated by anyone. And, I'm not the only one, either. I believe that Lantz has him on ignore and, again, making him a mod would prevent that.

IMHO, Leo is the best candidate. He's got time, he's got the seriousness, and he's got the patience. His location doesn't matter, because I've seen him be logged in for very long amounts of time. Also, he has shown little bias, instead doing what he could to maintain order and control the situation. Definitely mod material to me.

I disagree entirely. The way he acted in the Reunion RP was absolutely disgraceful and highly biased against me and Lantz. Further, I've never seen him "maintain order" in any useful manner, or control anything.

[Erlkonig]

I honestly have to agree with Koto here, I don't think that Leo would be very suited for the job. Mainly because of what happened in the Reunion.

Meh, Leo was by no means the organizer of that or the one who tried to actively seek conflict. He just tried to think of a measure to keep order. And one person can't be judged by one incident alone, at least in this case, where one could've perfectly made a mistake.

TBH, I'm sick and tired of people using Reunion as the only excuse. I mean, god, one incident and you're all going "no wai"? Please, in my RP there were a lot of discussions, discussions which never rose into a shitstorm and managed to quell themselves, without me even becoming aware they happened before one of the players told me. This means that they have managed to keep their cool many times, outnumbering by far the Reunion incident.

In my opinion, judging a person's skills because of one incident only is a sign of real prejudice. Sorry Mil, but I can't agree with you on this.

[Milbunk]

That isn't the only thing I've seen. He tends to be highly biased against people he doesn't like and that usually ends up making them worse in the long run.

[Erlkonig]

That isn't the only thing I've seen. He tends to be highly biased against people he doesn't like and that usually ends up making them worse in the long run.

Source?

[Milbunk]

Against Mike and Lantz as an example.

[Erlkonig]

Against Mike and Lantz as an example.

Examples outside of the Reunion incident, please?

[Kotonoha]

So, it's prejudiced to judge people by their actions...? I don't think so.

[Tobias]

Meh, Leo was by no means the organizer of that or the one who tried to actively seek conflict. He just tried to think of a measure to keep order. And one person can't be judged by one incident alone, at least in this case, where one could've perfectly made a mistake.

actually, yes, yes it can. you look to hire someone new, you get plenty of applicants, one of the guys with otherwise reasonable qualifications stabbed his last boss or burned the building down. throw his application away. maybe its a one time thing, but there is no need to take that risk.

[Erlkonig]

So, it's prejudiced to judge people by their actions...? I don't think so.

No, I believe it's prejudice to believe people cannot learn from their mistakes.

[Erlkonig]

actually, yes, yes it can. you look to hire someone new, you get plenty of applicants, one of the guys with otherwise reasonable qualifications stabbed his last boss or burned the building down. throw his application away. maybe its a one time thing, but there is no need to take that risk.

Well, you're right. But that doesn't disqualify him entirely.

[Mike1984]

Meh, Leo was by no means the organizer of that or the one who tried to actively seek conflict. He just tried to think of a measure to keep order.

In what way was starting a competing RP "keeping order"?

And one person can't be judged by one incident alone, at least in this case, where one could've perfectly made a mistake.

Perhaps (and I know that the existing mods have made mistakes before), but the way he handled that was extremely unfair and totally undiplomatic.

TBH, I'm sick and tired of people using Reunion as the only excuse. I mean, god, one incident and you're all going "no wai"? Please, in my RP there were a lot of discussions, discussions which never rose into a shitstorm and managed to quell themselves, without me even becoming aware they happened before one of the players told me. This means that they have managed to keep their cool many times, outnumbering by far the Reunion incident.

The fact that he can have rational discussions does not make him a good mod. Mods have to be able to deal with everyone, not only people they like.

In my opinion, judging a person's skills because of one incident only is a sign of real prejudice. Sorry Mil, but I can't agree with you on this.

Well, OK, then, give some examples of why he would make a good mod. Actual concrete ones.

Well, you're right. But that doesn't disqualify him entirely.

No, but it is a significant black mark against him. If he was a clearly outstanding candidate, then maybe overlooking it would be a good idea, but I've yet to see anything that makes him stand out from any other candidates.

[Lianru]

So, it's prejudiced to judge people by their actions...? I don't think so.

I'm pretty sure he meant one action (Reunion) isn't enough to judge someone's character, not talking about multiple actions.
Everyone loses their cool now and then, and I'm sure even the mods have.
Although I haven't read that Reunion incident so I'm not sure how serious it is.