What Gaia can, Alaya can do better ;3
What Gaia can, Alaya can do better ;3
Oh lord, George is a fucking tank. So he'll never win against Gilgamesh without a partner.
Correct.Originally Posted by LJ3
Did alaya manage to make anything that actually is worth a damn against Gaia?
Last edited by Zenieth; July 21st, 2013 at 01:22 AM.
No idea yet. Unless Saber counts.
...What are you even talking about at this point?
If memory serves me right, the 4th volume of F/Z has a short narrator monologue on Ea that mentions that it was the weapon Enki/Ea (same god different name) used to shape the world, and to split heaven and earth.
Edit1: Founds its:
> "Now awaken, Ea. A stage befitting you has been prepared!"
Ea - the God of earth and water from ancient Mesopotamian mythology who had separated Heaven and Earth.
Called by this name, the Sword of Rupture was the primordial sword present at the creation of the world in the Age of Gods. The role the blade of the beginning accomplished - it was nothing short of that which had cut apart what had been shapeless into Heaven and Earth, what had given a definitive shape to that distinction.
And now, the rotating God sword, haughtily blowing up storm winds, would once again perform that miracle of genesis. The golden King of Heroes triumphantly shouted a declaration.
"Look up and behold! Enuma Elish!"
Heaven screamed, and Earth shook.
Last edited by Christemo; July 21st, 2013 at 03:26 AM.
Not you. I was answering Zenieth's post.
So basically, it's the sword Ea used to sculpt the world into the jurassic period and Gilgamesh named it after it's wielder? How did he knew it belonged to him?
Gilgamesh was "created" by the Gods and had a lot of beef with them so i assume he knew their names, being the Keystone of Heaven (read: link between mortals and gods) and all. Maybe he jacked the sword from Ea at some point?
Cause Gil was around a lot of gods in his life time.
As for your response. Nothing Saber is Alaya related.
Even her "deal" gets overridden by avalon being "First come first serve"
That'd... make sense actually. Given who Gil is. And I guess Alaya could only make EMIYA... no surprise here, actually...
Something still bugs me though. If Ea was Enki's property and he was the one who created the Earth in Sumerian mythology, where does that leave the other gods? Specially the Christian one?
That's one interesting thing... that and seeing how Jeanne reacts to fake priest Shiroumine.
Last edited by AsGryffynn; July 21st, 2013 at 03:54 AM.
Came later
thus they rank lower.
Age is King.
For all we know the Gods may just be a mask for the Counter Force/Gaia/Alaya/whatthefuckever. IIRC Nasuverse Gilgamesh was created from the Counter Force, which may be why he can have more mana than 500 Sabers combined.
Also as Kotomanly proved by holy-magic'ing Zouken's face in with his fists, "Fake Priests" aren't actually a thing.
"Let he who is without sin kick the first ass."
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#1 Rule in the Nasuverse is that Older is Better.
Last edited by Christemo; July 21st, 2013 at 04:01 AM.
gods are most definitely not alaya. Since they're rather in opposition of humanity as a whole. They're nature given form by belief or in some cases, belief empowered humans.
Last edited by Zenieth; July 21st, 2013 at 03:59 AM.
There should be a way to circumvent that ;3
So the counter-force did make something overpowered!
If so, and conceptual abilities remain true, wouldn't that count as deification.
If so, then humanity could simply create a god that would design a weapon stronger than Ea ;3
Nope
Gaia not AlayaSo the counter-force did make something overpowered!
Humanity too modern, they can't be pulling any of that fancy clap your hands if you believe junk any more. Too advanced, too skeptical.If so, and conceptual abilities remain true, wouldn't that count as deification.
If so, then humanity could simply create a god that would design a weapon stronger than Ea ;3
Even excusing that, Human consciousness can't magic up a god. They need a object to deify. Which still doesn't guarantee that it'll be on Ea's level or even close due to not being old enough.
Common belief is far less powerful than age and mystery.
Since when was the Nasuverse supposed to be fair? 99% of Servants have ridiculous powers even for their time (Karna, for example, could easily defeat all 5 of his brothers when repeatedly having curses activate on him, chariot-less, with most of his weapons gone, no Kavachi&Kundala or Vasavi Shakti, and STILL his blows were powerful enough to shake the foundations of the universe and was STILL considered the most powerful warrior in the Mahabharata.)
Creating a circumvention to a law that's been in a universe for almost 15 years at this point would be the end of Nasu's credibility as a good writer.
Last edited by Christemo; July 21st, 2013 at 09:34 AM.
Should be noted that mystery is just fancy fluff and all old things aren't inherently better than everything that came after it. Age is a kinda amplifier based on what you're working with from the get go.
A one million year old rock won't be 100% guaranteed murder against Cu Chulainn for instance.
No but a 800 year old piece of paper makes a bundle of rocks more powerful than Kirei's Hassans according to Fate/Apocrypha
Since you seem to be referencing the original myth,
Karna had 5 Brothers. The Pandavas. Karna defeated 4 of them (before his fight with the strongest Pandava Arjuna) but did not kill them due to his oath to his mother.
Well, he did defeat Arjuna the day before. Divine Intervention saved Arjuna's life then.
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