Create your own Modern Fiction Servants

[linkhyrule5]

Independent Action (Game balance), Savior of the Dead (Not necessary, can do that with Bluff or Charisma), Discernment of the Poor (She got suckered by a lot of lies that girl...one does not need to be good at catching lies to tell them), Pioneer of the Stars (This one is iffy, but to me it doesn't quite fit as her journey was never planned and she was essentially led about until the end)

...in fact, her status as the embodiment of free will can be question as it was, in the end, Mary who pushed her curiosity to do...that with Will.

Independent Action... maybe, but she it's kind of odd for her to have such an insane Nature of a Rebellious Spirit and no Independent Action. Savior of the Dead should be mentioned somewhere, it's too important. Discernment of the Poor I'll grant you, that one can go. Pioneer of the Stars isn't about planning, it's about changing the universe, and Lyra changed the fate of the entire multiverse and stabilized the flow of Dust for at least one world by re-enacting Original Sin without shame.

Yeah. I can have Bluff emulate Charisma and remove Discernment of the Poor.

[qsurf]

Independent Action... maybe, but she it's kind of odd for her to have such an insane Nature of a Rebellious Spirit and no Independent Action. Savior of the Dead should be mentioned somewhere, it's too important. Discernment of the Poor I'll grant you, that one can go. Pioneer of the Stars isn't about planning, it's about changing the universe, and Lyra changed the fate of the entire multiverse and stabilized the flow of Dust for at least one world by re-enacting Original Sin without shame.

Yeah. I can have Bluff emulate Charisma and remove Discernment of the Poor.

Except that Lyra does have a proper Charisma and she Bluffed a lot of powerful people. Those two skills are okay there, and each does something different, it's Savior of the Dead I have an issue with...

Savior of the Dead could be a Noble Phantasm since it reads like one, but what does it do other than do what Bluff and Charisma could do on their own? What you could mention is that she saved the Dead in her bio, and have her bluff and charisma apply to ghosts as well.

Pioneer of the Stars' only other user, Drake, planned out her impossible journeys and realized them, what you are mentioning is just sheer luck, which is honestly how she survived for so long. Basically? I'd rather go with its Fate/Extra portrayal.

Independent Action and Nature of a Rebellious Spirit aren't mutually exclusive. Furthermore, in FE, Berserker, aka Lu Bu, has the same skill, without Independent Action...they can exist without each other.

[linkhyrule5]

Except that Lyra does have a proper Charisma and she Bluffed a lot of powerful people.

Sort of - but most of the time, when she led, she did it through her powerful stories.

Savior of the Dead could be a Noble Phantasm since it reads like one, but what does it do other than do what Bluff and Charisma could do on their own?

For starters, it works to an extent against Servants. Aside from that, it makes her powerful against necromancers and anyone capable of removing people from existence, because anyone she commands through it is immune to such things. Besides that, I'd imagine it as something like Medea's Golden Fleece - not terribly useful, but too important to just ignore.

(Also, I cite Murderer of the Misty Night for NP-ish skills.)

Pioneer of the Stars' only other user, Drake, planned out her impossible journeys and realized them, what you are mentioning is just sheer luck, which is honestly how she survived for so long.

Sure, but the actual skill says only that it is "given to heroes that became turning points in the human history." Lyra definitely qualifies.

Independent Action and Nature of a Rebellious Spirit aren't mutually exclusive.

What I meant was, they're almost mutually... inclusive? Not sure of the word, but anyway, it doesn't make sense to me to have NBS EX and IA 0.

[qsurf]

Sort of - but most of the time, when she led, she did it through her powerful stories.

To Bluff properly you need Charisma right?

For starters, it works to an extent against Servants. Aside from that, it makes her powerful against necromancers and anyone capable of removing people from existence, because anyone she commands through it is immune to such things. Besides that, I'd imagine it as something like Medea's Golden Fleece - not terribly useful, but too important to just ignore.

(Also, I cite Murderer of the Misty Night for NP-ish skills.)

Then it's a Noble Phantasm, not a skill.

Sure, but the actual skill says only that it is "given to heroes that became turning points in the human history." Lyra definitely qualifies.

I see, very well I withdraw my objections.

What I meant was, they're almost mutually... inclusive? Not sure of the word, but anyway, it doesn't make sense to me to have NBS EX and IA 0.

Nope, they are two completely different things.

Basically:
NBS - Servant might not listen to you.
IA - Servant can last without you.

All you're doing is giving the Servant a reason to off the Master they don't agree with and find another....this is not Lyra's style, she's more likely to warp the Master's Point of View to align with her's.

[linkhyrule5]

To Bluff properly you need Charisma right?

Well, yes, but the idea is to cut down on skills.

Then it's a Noble Phantasm, not a skill.

Well, again - see Murderer in the Misty Night. This is something she is/does, not a crystallized Mystery like Silvertongue is.

Nope, they are two completely different things.

Basically:
NBS - Servant might not listen to you.
IA - Servant can last without you.

All you're doing is giving the Servant a reason to off the Master they don't agree with and find another....this is not Lyra's style, she's more likely to warp the Master's Point of View to align with her's.

Well of course Lyra won't do that. This is her powerset, which doesn't necessarily align with what she'd actually do. As you say - she's a Trickster, not a Betrayer.

.... Ooooooh. Actually, I should totally stat her up as Betrayer. :evil:

But anyway, you can't practically ignore Authority without being able to live independently - if you want to live outside society, you have to be independent. Also, she kiiiind of spends most of three novels running around mostly on her own, so she's earned it.

[qsurf]

Not enough time to put forward all my counter-arguments but I will say one thing:

But anyway, you can't practically ignore Authority without being able to live independently - if you want to live outside society, you have to be independent. Also, she kiiiind of spends most of three novels running around mostly on her own, so she's earned it.

With help. With help she had gotten from lying, being charismatic, getting caught out on her lies, getting captured, and just plain running into people. None of which indicates IA, but the fact that she did all of it in defiance of...well, everyone and everything, certainly gives her her NBS.

[Santo]

Cause I was reminded of "A Fairytale for the Demon Lord." =3c

The Nameless Knight.

Very hefty spoilers for "A Fairytale for the Demon Lord" from here on out.

Class: Saber/Caster/Berserker.

Parameters:

Alignment: Neutral/Neutral Evil/Insane.
Noble Phantasm: E-A/A/E-A
Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: C
Mana: C
Luck: EX/E


Class Skills:

As Saber:

Magic Resistance: A

• This skill grants protection against magical effects. Differently from the Resistance effect that merely rejects prana, this ability cancels the spells altogether. In practice, the Servant is untouchable to modern magi.

The knight stood like a bulwark, the sorceries of the Demon Lord unable to as much as scratch his armor.

Riding: B

• The ability to ride things. At this rank the Servant is able to handle all beasts and vehicles with great skill.

As Berserker:

Mad Enhancement: B

• All parameters are increased by one step, but sanity is lost.

Personal skills:

Battle Continuation: A

• This skill reflects the strength of vitality. At this rank the Servant can continue to fight without trouble even when grievously injured. Furthermore, the Servant will not die until he suffers a decisively fatal blow. And may recover from even that if 'By the Word of the Princess.' is put into effect.

"You maddened dog. Die already! Look at you! You can barely stand!"

"I don't care if I lose my arms, I don't care if I lose my body. I will return to the Princess' side! And nothing you can do will stop me!"


By the Word of the Princess: B

• The Nameless Knight gained emotion and a reason to live other than killing thanks to the princess. Furthermore, during his life, he would follow any order given to him by the Princess, no matter what forces were stacked against him. If the Princess ever gives him an order, the Nameless Knight will accomplish it to the best of his abilities. If his abilities are proven lacking, he will receive a boost in parameters until he can accomplish the order given. If a command seal is used to give an order that does not clash with the Nameless Knight's objectives, he will receive a boost several magnitudes stronger than he would otherwise receive. This is such a strong part of the Knight's identity, that the skill remains in effect even when under the effects of Mad Enhancement.

"Kill them all in one blow, and then come find me."

"As you command." - The Princess to the Nameless Knight, before the annihilation of the 5th-8th Knight Armadas and the entirety of the Dragon Knights.


Noble Phantasms:

Charge Sword
Rank: E-A++
Type: Anti-Unit

A skill that rose in fame with the Nameless Knight. He would always make a new sword every time he came into conflict. The sword he made would be just enough to finish his current objective, and would serve as the grave-marker of his slain opponent. Whenever he fights an opponent, the swords he makes will grow in power until they can overwhelm his enemy with a single strike. This Noble Phantasm is not locked away by Mad Enhancement, but lack of cognitive ability lowers its effectiveness.


"Such weakness. Is that truly the sword that slew a Demon Lord?"

"This is not the sword that killed a Demon Lord. This is the sword that will cut your impudent hand off."


The Fate of the Demon Lord
Rank: B
Type: Support

Nearing the end of his journey to return to the Princess. The Nameless Knight was unable to defeat Odin. He made a deal with an oracle and obtained the Fate of the Demon Lord that he had slain to rescue the princess, gaining the ability to defeat Odin and bypass the protection guarded by the Princess. When this Noble Phantasm is activated, the Nameless Knight becomes the Demon Lord: Doom of Odin. His Strength, Endurance, and Agility, all drop to D. His mana rises to A+. He loses Battle Continuation, By the Word of the Princess, and Charge Sword.

He instead gains Territory Creation at rank B, the immortality granted by the Princess, the ability to leech life from his enemies every time he causes them an Injury. Magecraft at rank A+, and the ability to summon demonic wolves from his body to aid him in fighting.

By all intents and purposes he becomes the Demon Lord and no longer fits into the Saber Class container. If the Caster of the War has been slain, the Demon Lord will take its place. If caster yet lives, the Demon Lord will become a Second Caster.

Finally, his luck drops from EX to E. For in order to become the Demon Lord, he gave up the right to be the Nameless Knight who defeated and overcame all Fates. The unchangeable Fate of the Demon Lord is to be brought down by a Nameless Knight, put down like a rabid dog in order to free the Princess from his curse.


"Today, once more, I have slain a knight from another land.

"I was struck by a sudden thought.

"If on this day, I die here, fighting for her. Could I say...

"That I spent my whole life, fighting for her?" - The Demon Lord, on the eve of his death.

[YeOfLittleFaith]

This is an awesome Servant profile. I really like the way how you incorporated the defining elements of his story and his character into the Servant. Frankly speaking, it's about time a sheet for the Knight was made. In fact, HELL, IT'S ABOUT TIME.

Nice work Santo!

[Gunbazca]

Soo... if he's called into Saber, he can suddenly revert to a Caster? That's a weird mechanic, but seems to fit his flavor fine.

"We killed Caster! Yay!"
"Hmm. There has just been a change though. A second Caster has appeared."
"FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"

[Santo]

This is an awesome Servant profile. I really like the way how you incorporated the defining elements of his story and his character into the Servant. Frankly speaking, it's about time a sheet for the Knight was made. In fact, HELL, IT'S ABOUT TIME.

Nice work Santo!

Glad you liked ^c^

Soo... if he's called into Saber, he can suddenly revert to a Caster? That's a weird mechanic, but seems to fit his flavor fine.

"We killed Caster! Yay!"
"Hmm. There has just been a change though. A second Caster has appeared."
"FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"

Ayyup. But its irreversible, and it would not be a step taken lightly by the Knight.

He could be summoned as Caster with the stats and skills described, and his NP would be the immortality granted by the Princess but in that case one would summon Caster the Demon Lord, not the Nameless Knight.

Because complicated. =3c

[Thanos]

Slightly modified Calvin Servant Sheet.

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Calvin (suitable as Caster, Archer, Berserker or Rider)

Attachment 6073

Strength: D(++)
Mana: C
Endurance: B
Noble Phantasm : Varies, but at least D+
Agility : D(+++)
Luck: C

Personal Skills

Hyper: A (raises Calvin's agility by one "+" for each of the following three conditions that are met:
1. Calvin got a good night's sleep. 2. Calvin ate sugary cereal today. 3. Today is Saturday)

Nature of a Rebellious Spirit: B+ (It is extremely difficult to get Calvin to obey orders. He demonstrates an almost pathological disregard for authority. Miss Wormwood would agree)

Subversive activities(Calvin): A+(If Calvin gets a hold of anything considered valuable, chances are he will inadvertantly destroy it)

Philosopher (false): B (Calvin is very good at arguing his point, but often falls apart when someone points the fallacies that he tends to use)

Bravery (false): A (Calvin is immune to any fear or awe inspiring effects below A rank, but only because he is oblivious to any danger)

Only a Child: C (Is incapable of truly understanding his purpose in the HGW, or contemplating killing)

Hysterical Strength: B (raises strength by two "+"s if someone is trying to force Calvin to do what he does not want to do, such as take a bath. Further gives a "+" for any will rolls against compulsions)

Purity (seasonal): A+ (Whenever it is December, or Calvin thinks it is, he is incorruptible. He will get loads of loot this year, and you can't stop him!)

Seasonal Ammo: C (Causes items thrown to be treated as D-rank noble phantasms based upon season. Spring: Acorns/rocks Summer:water balloons Fall: Mushy Apples Winter: Snowballs)

G.R.O.S.S.: C (adds a "+" to any attacks made against females)

Noble Phantasms

Calvin comes with three of the listed Noble Phantasms, at least one of which must be weak, and no more than one of which can be WTF?

Weak:

Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs: D+ (Raises Calvin's base Agility to C, and counts as a sugary cereal for Hyper. Can be consumed by the Master to gain Servant level speed for 1 hour, after which he suffers a sugar crash for two hours)

Calvin's ride: C (A quick way to get around. Provides an A rank attack if Calvin holds the high ground, at tje cost of that same high ground. Philosophe(false) becomes philosopher(true) when he rides it.)

Strong:

Hobbes (The Everlasting Companion): B+ (When Calvin is summoned, he may bring Hobbes with him. Hobbes is treated as a separate Servant from Calvin, and possesses his own skills(suitable for a tiger, like prescence concealment, instinct, etc.), but no Noble Phantasms. Hobbes is much better suited for the HGW than Calvin is, but if he dies, so does Calvin)

Daydreams (Imagination is Reality): C++ (If Calvin is bored, he may assume a new persona and form temporarily, with its own personal skills, and one noble phantasm. These include, but are not limited to, Spaceman Spiff, Tracer Bullet, and a Tyrannosaurus Rex. Many of these forms are suitable for the HGW. Just hope stupendous man's cape doesn't get trapped in the door.)

WTF?

Calvinball: A++ (EX as Caster)(Calvin may challenge foes to a game of Calvinball. If they accept, the rules become absolute for both sides, and every time someone gains a point, any foes participating are given wounds to match. While Calvin is vulnerable to Calvinball as well, in the case that his opponents figure out the rules(Make them up as you go along), if he has Hobbes and maxed-out Hyper (+ CFSB) he holds a substantial advantage nonetheless. If Calvin is Caster, he may force opponents to play Calvinball when they enter his territory)

The Box: EX (holds many incredible abilities, including time travel, duplication, transmogrification, and cerebral enhancement. The Box may only serve one purpose at a time, and requires 24 hours of non-use in order to switch purposes. It arrives as the transmogrifier, the most used form.)

[qsurf]

*tilts head*

Sorry kid, but I would reduce all those skills down to two or three, not forgetting the Class Skill either.

The NPs, pretty imaginative stuff, but I think that the first two should be scrapped, while Calvinball be reduced to B-Rank.

Personally, I think Calvin only qualifies for one class, Caster.

[Thanos]

*tilts head*

Leans over to accomadate your slanted worldview.

Sorry kid

*mildly insulted*

, but I would reduce all those skills down to two or three, not forgetting the Class Skill either.

what.

I mean, sure, the more esoteric ones like purity and only a child could be chopped, but more substantial ones like G.R.O.S.S. are here to stay.

The NPs, pretty imaginative stuff

Why thank you.

, but I think that the first two should be scrapped,

I dunno, they are both pretty indicative of his character. Chocolate frosted sugar bombs might have started out as just sugar bombs, but he eats several bowls of them every single saturday. The wagon... is the wagon. A good chunk of his strips featured him in it, discussing the universe with Hobbes.

Certainly, I at least wouldn't get rid of The Ride. Which is actually a wagon or a sled/toboggan, as appropriate.

Hmmm, maybe I should throw in Calvin's homicidal bike...

while Calvinball be reduced to B-Rank.

So you don't think that the ability to impose rules that are "whatever the hell you want them to be" is EX?

[EDIT]:Or were you referring to the non-caster version of this NP? Quite a bit more flexibility there.[/EDIT]

Personally, I think Calvin only qualifies for one class, Caster.

Really? Why?

[linkhyrule5]

'Cause they have to accept. That nullifies most of its power right there - what kind of idiot agrees to a game with an enemy Servant?

Also, Gilgamesh has like three skills. Most fan Servants have around six or so.

... I still like mine .

Similarly, too many Noble Phantasms. Roll the Wagon into Daydreams, I think, and CFSB aren't really critical to his legend. Heck, roll Hobbes into Daydreams as well, and have him be an always-on part of it.

... There's a reason I basically gave him two NPs, "Hobbes" and "Daydreams" as you use them. (I might have given him Calvinball too for the lulz.)

[qsurf]

*mildly insulted*

There is a reason why I used it Thanos, you've been here a bit so you really should know better by now.

what.

I mean, sure, the more esoteric ones like purity and only a child could be chopped, but more substantial ones like G.R.O.S.S. are here to stay.

Then why didn't you do that in the first place, remember the rules homes, between 2 and 5 skills including class skills, 6 if one is really famous. Calvin isn't, he's still a kid.

I dunno, they are both pretty indicative of his character. Chocolate frosted sugar bombs might have started out as just sugar bombs, but he eats several bowls of them every single saturday. The wagon... is the wagon. A good chunk of his strips featured him in it, discussing the universe with Hobbes.

Certainly, I at least wouldn't get rid of The Ride. Which is actually a wagon or a sled/toboggan, as appropriate.

Hmmm, maybe I should throw in Calvin's homicidal bike...

The reason why I mentioned it is because I don't remember having seen a Servant with more than 4 NPs (Gil has two, Ea and GoB, before you ask), and while their NPs can vary thanks to the Class (Diarmuid), taking this into account, plus the nerfing that goes on when summoned, Calvin's most likely going to have 2 maybe even 1 NP per Class he qualifies for.

Funny thought, it's usually the mid-level Servants that have 3 or 4 NPs, while the weak ones and strong ones have 1 or 2.

So you don't think that the ability to impose rules that are "whatever the hell you want them to be" is EX?

[EDIT]:Or were you referring to the non-caster version of this NP? Quite a bit more flexibility there.[/EDIT]

Like Link said, you still need to accept the rules, without a way of imposing the rules (Charisma for instance), the opponents can say "screw it" and kill Calvin. Hence B.

Really? Why?

Most of the stuff that we as the readers see from Calvin's point of view are things he imagines, I bet when you ask folk what the first thing the remember about about Calvin, it's prolly going to be his epic imagination...plus, it's the class that would allow him to use his abilities to their full extent. I suppose he can also qualify for a Rider, accept he doesn't really do much riding...he's usually pulling Hobbes in his wagon, likewise the tobbogan, plus he never really did manage to tame the demon bike.

[Seika]

It's a joke sheet, give him leeway on the whole skill number thing. When it totally breaks out of being a Servant sheet at all (like with a hundred skills or something), then you can go after him. Otherwise, meh.

[Thanos]

There is a reason why I used it Thanos, you've been here a bit so you really should know better by now.

Anyway, mildly

Then why didn't you do that in the first place, remember the rules homes, between 2 and 5 skills including class skills, 6 if one is really famous. Calvin isn't, he's still a kid.

Because I simply don't care about the rule in this case.

The reason why I mentioned it is because I don't remember having seen a Servant with more than 4 NPs (Gil has two, Ea and GoB, before you ask), and while their NPs can vary thanks to the Class (Diarmuid), taking this into account, plus the nerfing that goes on when summoned, Calvin's most likely going to have 2 maybe even 1 NP per Class he qualifies for.

Three seems fair to me, given the limitations.

Funny thought, it's usually the mid-level Servants that have 3 or 4 NPs, while the weak ones and strong ones have 1 or 2.

Excellent; my intent was to create a servant that should be broken, but is really weak, with some compensations.

Like Link said, you still need to accept the rules, without a way of imposing the rules (Charisma for instance), the opponents can say "screw it" and kill Calvin. Hence B.

I assumed you meant the Caster version, where he can force them to play when they are on his territory. I felt this to be a reasonable assumption because you said that Caster is the only class you feel he is suited for.

'Cause they have to accept. That nullifies most of its power right there - what kind of idiot agrees to a game with an enemy Servant?

Again, when Calvin is Caster he can force them to play. Thus, EX.

Most of the stuff that we as the readers see from Calvin's point of view are things he imagines, I bet when you ask folk what the first thing the remember about about Calvin, it's prolly going to be his epic imagination...plus, it's the class that would allow him to use his abilities to their full extent. I suppose he can also qualify for a Rider, accept he doesn't really do much riding...he's usually pulling Hobbes in his wagon, likewise the tobbogan, plus he never really did manage to tame the demon bike.

It is Canon that both what is "real" and what is "imagination" are reality.

Also, I am well aware that he never learned to control demon bike; I was thinking he would try to get enemies hit with collateral damage.

[qsurf]

Because I simply don't care about the rule in this case.

Okay, not a problem, I'll just follow Seika's lead then.

[Seika]

Mmkay, I'm writing up my thoughts on how to create a Servant profile, which I promised some time ago. Not just for serious characters, though it does mainly talk about them. It'll probably end up in a separate thread in GD, because it's already looking like a pretty big textwall at 3.5k words, and I'd like to be able to take each section in a separate post anyway.

Point is, does anyone have a particular topic they'd like me to talk about in there? For example, I've already got a bit on gender-bending your Servant and how you can do that interestingly: anything of that sort, or any other persistent issues you think are deserving of some mention? I don't promise to include it, but if I've got enough of an opinion, I probably will.

[qsurf]

Mmkay, I'm writing up my thoughts on how to create a Servant profile, which I promised some time ago. Not just for serious characters, though it does mainly talk about them. It'll probably end up in a separate thread in GD, because it's already looking like a pretty big textwall at 3.5k words, and I'd like to be able to take each section in a separate post anyway.

Point is, does anyone have a particular topic they'd like me to talk about in there? For example, I've already got a bit on gender-bending your Servant and how you can do that interestingly: anything of that sort, or any other persistent issues you think are deserving of some mention? I don't promise to include it, but if I've got enough of an opinion, I probably will.

Skill limits and what they mean in terms of the Nasuverse please, most new folks (and myself if I have to be honest) don't quite get it at first, since each skill is actually a lot more epic than its description mentions.

The " + " modifier's function as well, again, I'm guilty for abusing this, but a lot of people (including me) could use the reminder that a C+ attack, though it is not an A ranked attack, exceeds its damage output, and lets not go into C++ ranked attacks.

Maybe you could also clarify the " - " modifier too? I haven't been able to get what it means at all.