Create your own Modern Fiction Servants

[Siriel]

Responding from the other thread since this is the right place for it.

Zelretch is the best framing device i have ever seen),

Haha...hahaha...haha...

the reason for the stats is that unlike your run of the mill human he is heavily modded, he is about 80% machine, and his S.P.E.C.I.A.L stats were maxed via implants so he is far stronger than most men, instead of relying on fame and legends, it was a crazy power boost from technology that gave him the stats (basically he has his heart, spine and brain each gives him a perk, he also went trough the Sierra Madre and the Divide)

See, here is the problem: Servants are not "most men". All of them are exceptions among exceptions. They're demi-gods, people who defeated entire armies, etc.

Being exceptional is one of the requirement to be a Heroic Spirit, it's not a reason to be a very high-statted Servant.

Additionally, this is an Assassin (they usually have shitty to average stats) and yet you gave him better stats than Gilgamesh. While under Shirou, who is a failure of a Master.



On another note, that Eye of the Mind (you need to precise if it's True or False, in this case since it comes from experience it's True) is way too high. Someone who obtained it after fighting his entire lifetime (Archer) has it at B.


Also most of the strategies you brought up to take down most Servants wouldn't work, but that's another matter. To point out the most obvious flaws:

- Caster hangs out in her own territory where she can detect people, for most the part. Also she has magic shields.
- Berserker simply won't be affected by the weapons. Though you did acknowledge that.
- The Courier is the one that has no chance against Kojiro in melee. Trying to melee Kojiro when you don't have something like God Hand is basically suicide - even Saber only survived due to circumstances nerfing Tsubame Gaeshi. (Also his sword has longer range than a fist.)

[Tyrnek]

Oh my, where to start.

It almost seems like you took every possible min-max character build for a Fallout character and combined them intoone person - which isn't even possible in the game that he comes from. Sure, you can have a super sneaky diplomat character, but one that can also apparently lift buildings with his bare hands (or whatever A rank strength lets you do)? No.

A more realistic interpretation of an Assassin-style courier would be the sneaky trapmaster/sniper kind, with some concessions to reality - after all, the combat mechanics in Fallout are hardly realistic.


The Courier, Reinterpreted

Stats:

Strength: D - Because let's be honest, he really isn't that strong. Even at max STR, he'd still be C-rank at best.

Agility: D - Because you don't play Fallout for it's wonderful movement mechanics. Honestly, on foot, The Courier is pretty fucking slow.

Endurance: C+ - Yes, surviving two shots to the head is pretty impressive, but compared to the kinds of things legendary heroes have tanked, two headshots is nothing.

Charisma: ??? - This isn't even a stat, it's a Skill (at least, according to Nasu).

Mana: E - Because, as you mentioned, he's 80% not human, and magic don't exist where he come from.

Luck: B+ - This one I'll give you.

Noble Phantasm: C


Skills: It's more reasonable to limit the number of Skills to around 3-4 ones that really define the character. Otherwise it just looks like you're spewing stuff onto the page.

Presence concealment: B - Really good at sneaking? Yes. With a Stealth Boy? Even better. Being unable to be detected at all by mages and other Servants, especially when he doesn't know a thing about prana emissions? No.

Voices in Your Head: B+ - Because getting shot twice in the head and having seen (and done) some of the worst the Wastes can offer doesn't do good things to your sanity. Helps him resist persuasions, and can help him figure out the right things to do since it's a high enough rank, but it would make him a little loopy. As in, cold-psychopathic-killer style loopy.

Charisma: D - Yes, he can convince a couple of very powerful companions to help him out, but he doesn't convince entire armies to follow him and him alone. That's more Caesar's gig.

Combat Pragmatist: A - Knows how to fight dirty. Includes makeshift weapon repairs, homemade weaponry, and being able to use pretty much any weapon that he comes across. He's not a master of any particular weapon, but he can use anything he finds well enough to do some damage.


I hate Eye of the Mind, personally. It's just kind of a thing you throw out if you can't think of a more distinct Skill IMHO.


Noble Phantasms:

Can't Bury the Joker: C - Allows him to survive an attack that should've killed him. Can only be used once.



... or something. Use your imagination.

[Siriel]

Charisma: ??? - This isn't even a stat, it's a Skill (at least, according to Nasu).

Because Charisma in Fate/ doesn't represent "being pretty or likeable", it represents one's ability to lead armies and such. B can lead a country. A is the highest available. A+ is Gilgamesh.

[Duncan Idaho]

Responding from the other thread since this is the right place for it.



Haha...hahaha...haha...

His knowledge of parallel universes is quite handy, him wanting to see what would happen if he used what he saw in A) and applied to B) could be used to start a number of stories

See, here is the problem: Servants are not "most men". All of them are exceptions among exceptions. They're demi-gods, people who defeated entire armies, etc.

Being exceptional is one of the requirement to be a Heroic Spirit, it's not a reason to be a very high-statted Servant.

Additionally, this is an Assassin (they usually have shitty to average stats) and yet you gave him better stats than Gilgamesh. While under Shirou, who is a failure of a Master.

The Courier fits onto the exceptional category, he came on killed Caesar and fought his way down the camp alone leaving hundreds if not thousand of legionares dead in his wake, then he goes and allies with the NCR while he works behind their backs to scam them after the battle of Hoover Dam, in the process he winds up re discovering tech from the Big Mt. which goes to the sierra madre Casino and is the only one that is known to leave the place alive, helps to settle peace between three tribes and then goes to prevent a nuclear disaster, finally scamming the NCR and in one fell swoop gaining control of NV, to add the finishing touch he retrieved gardening tech from vault 22 which allowed to Mojave to become inhabitable once again.

I've been thinking of how to re work the rank parts i saw what a suggestion was but, the problem is very different, as unlike other servants the courier has also mechanical nature added to him, so determining how to translate Max S.P.E.C.I.A.L while avoiding a literal transition (if i went that path it would be a problem since S.P.E.C.I.A.L maxes at 10 which would be E rank for everything).

I acknowledge that given the Courier is one of my favorite characters i did gave him better stats, but i'd rather have him as a subversion of the typical assassin that is plain Squishy, the Courier won New Vegas not for being Squishy but for being smart, charismatic and crafty.

On another note, that Eye of the Mind (you need to precise if it's True or False, in this case since it comes from experience it's True) is way too high. Someone who obtained it after fighting his entire lifetime (Archer) has it at B.

I am deciding on that, both descriptions are vague enough for me to have to think it trough, i would go for True, but he is different from archer, the Former simply dint fought his whole life but traveled and faced much harsher conditions than Archer did, nature wise, i keep citing the divide since in universe it's acknowledged among the worst sections of the Mojave and the FO Verse, basically radio active winds with lots of war heads and Ghouls, insane ghouls who can mount assaults, the courier managed to walk it thrice, not an easy feat.

Also most of the strategies you brought up to take down most Servants wouldn't work, but that's another matter. To point out the most obvious flaws:

- Caster hangs out in her own territory where she can detect people, for most the part. Also she has magic shields.
- Berserker simply won't be affected by the weapons. Though you did acknowledge that.
- The Courier is the one that has no chance against Kojiro in melee. Trying to melee Kojiro when you don't have something like God Hand is basically suicide - even Saber only survived due to circumstances nerfing Tsubame Gaeshi. (Also his sword has longer range than a fist.)

True but the Courier has a sniper rifle, YMMV if he can snipe her or not depends on what he does, on Kojiro i must agree, the only chance the courier has tbh is dropping a C-4 or something in there to blow him sky high or spam the laser Axes, he has a number of melee weapons, none as good as assassins sword, and whenether he wins or not is no the aim of my rev of the Courier, i rather have him as a staller than anything else, my main goal anyways is to shape the courier to be able to fight the Servants but unable to kill them but instead he stalls them and forces them to retreat, they cannot simply overpower the number of traps and contraptions the courier might have put in place, try picturing Lancer detonating several cap mines, then tripping frag grenades and the being met by shots from unknown parts and while he tries to retreat he only winds up firing up more traps, calling so much unwanted attention that is a better idea to deal with The Courier for last, and if he were faced against the Servants he could at least give a decent fight and then retreat.

And i would like some one to help revise the Scenarios, i had them sitting for a while but i never had help of some one else to actually debate them.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

Joshua Graham - The Burned Man
"Make no mistake about why we are here. This is an extermination."

Class: Berserker

Strength: B
Agility: C
Endurance: A+
MGI: D
Luck: C

History:

Some spoilers for Honest Hearts here

Joshua Graham is one of the founding members of Caesars Legion, and one of the meanest, toughest, most militant sons of bitches to ever walk the Mojave. Part of the New Canannites, the descendants of the Morman survivors of the Great War, Joshua is unusual in his violent tendencies, which also clash heavily with his own deep and abiding faith.

With Caesar, he was able to unite the tribes of most of the Southwestern United States into a coherent and deadly fighting force - Caesars Legion. Graham was at the head of its armies in nearly every battle, giving no quarter and taking none. However, his failure at the first battle of Hoover Dam was punished severely by Caesar - Joshua Graham's name was struck from the Legion's records, his face erased from their coinage, and Graham himself set on fire and thrown into the Grand Canyon. By all accounts, he should have died.

But he didn't.

Soon, rumors spread throughout the Mojave of a man who had crawled out of the Grand Canyon, his eyes burning with hatred and desire for revenge. The Legend of the Burned Man spread quickly amongst the slaves of Caesar's Legion, of a horrible specter baptized in fire who would destroy all that Caesar made. Some worshiped him as though he were a god, and the cult was ruthlessly suppressed by the Legion itself, Caesar fearing rebellion. But the Burned Man hung on, and in time resurfaced.

Caesar in a final act of revenge, had sent the White Legs, a militant tribe to destroy New Canaan. And destroy they did. The city was burned to the ground, though a few of its people escaped and in time rebuilt again someplace else, the ground having been salted. The Burned Man didn't take this sitting down, not by any measure.

Joshua was already a warchief among the Dead Horses, and he taught them his ways of war, and began to fight back against the White Legs for control of Zion, the former national park having become a refuge for survivors after the bombs fell and left it untouched. The Burned Man, with the help of the mysterious "Courier Six" succeeded, killing nearly every White Leg, and avenging the burning of New Canaan with a single bloody shot to the head of Salt-Upon-Wounds, the White Leg chief. And he didn't stop there. The Dead Horses became one of the most famous and dangerous tribes of the Southwest under his hand, and even after his death, the Dead Horses did not forget the Burned Man. He became a spirit of vengence, a god of righteous wrath and spiritual fury, who helped them smite their enemies with the weapons of his own tribe.

And that, is the Legend of Joshua Graham.

Class Abilities:

Mad Enhancement - D: The Strength Parameter is increased by one rank in exchange for the loss of some higher brain functions and most emotions. The subject is still barely capable of coherent thought and speech.

Skills:

Divinity - E--: As a being worshiped by multiple sources by all accounts this rank should be higher. However, Joshua's own faith suppresses this skill to the extent that it is barely applicable.

Military Tactics - N/A: The loss of complex decision making renders this skill useless, despite Joshua's skill at military tactics and warfare.

Mental Pollution - C: In Graham's case, this skill is due to the never ending pain he suffers due to his burns that simply does not allow any mental influence to effect him along with a burning desire for retribution.


Noble Phantasms:

A Light In Shining Darkness: The Darkness Cannot Understand - C+ - Anti Unit: "This type of .45 Automatic pistol was designed by one of my tribe almost four hundred years ago. Learning its use is a New Canaanite rite of passage..."
Graham was renowned for his near exclusive use of this pistol, even when other weapons, possibly better, were available. This was one of the only things he took with him into Caesars Legion and right back out of it, the pistol having been strapped to him (unloaded) when he was thrown into the canyon. Miraculously, it survived along with him. Inscribed with a bible verse in a long dead tongue only Graham and a few Followers of the Apocalypse know how to speak or read, A Light In Shining Darkness is holy wrath embodied. Every shot echoes with the hymns of St. Micheal, and the flare of the muzzle takes the shape of a small sword of fire. Against heroes with a weakness to divine weaponry or servants with demonic aspects, this weapon is particularly effective and deadly.

The Burned Man: A Second Baptism of Flame - B - Anti-Army: "I have been baptized twice, once in water, once in flame. I will carry the fire of the holy spirit inside until I stand before my Lord for judgement."
The Burned Man is Joshua Graham's most famous and enduring name. The flames that earned him his name have never quite died away from his skin. At will, the Burned Man can once again become a pyre, the flame of faith and retribution springing into life. The world in his immediate vicinity becomes an inferno reminiscent of hell. The flames are easily hot enough to melt steel but leave Graham untouched. The flames are particularly damaging to spiritual entities.

[Rin-chan Kaihou]

His knowledge of parallel universes is quite handy, him wanting to see what would happen if he used what he saw in A) and applied to B) could be used to start a number of stories



The Courier fits onto the exceptional category, he came on killed Caesar and fought his way down the camp alone leaving hundreds if not thousand of legionares dead in his wake, then he goes and allies with the NCR while he works behind their backs to scam them after the battle of Hoover Dam, in the process he winds up re discovering tech from the Big Mt. which goes to the sierra madre Casino and is the only one that is known to leave the place alive, helps to settle peace between three tribes and then goes to prevent a nuclear disaster, finally scamming the NCR and in one fell swoop gaining control of NV, to add the finishing touch he retrieved gardening tech from vault 22 which allowed to Mojave to become inhabitable once again.

I've been thinking of how to re work the rank parts i saw what a suggestion was but, the problem is very different, as unlike other servants the courier has also mechanical nature added to him, so determining how to translate Max S.P.E.C.I.A.L while avoiding a literal transition (if i went that path it would be a problem since S.P.E.C.I.A.L maxes at 10 which would be E rank for everything).

I acknowledge that given the Courier is one of my favorite characters i did gave him better stats, but i'd rather have him as a subversion of the typical assassin that is plain Squishy, the Courier won New Vegas not for being Squishy but for being smart, charismatic and crafty.



I am deciding on that, both descriptions are vague enough for me to have to think it trough, i would go for True, but he is different from archer, the Former simply dint fought his whole life but traveled and faced much harsher conditions than Archer did, nature wise, i keep citing the divide since in universe it's acknowledged among the worst sections of the Mojave and the FO Verse, basically radio active winds with lots of war heads and Ghouls, insane ghouls who can mount assaults, the courier managed to walk it thrice, not an easy feat.



True but the Courier has a sniper rifle, YMMV if he can snipe her or not depends on what he does, on Kojiro i must agree, the only chance the courier has tbh is dropping a C-4 or something in there to blow him sky high or spam the laser Axes, he has a number of melee weapons, none as good as assassins sword, and whenether he wins or not is no the aim of my rev of the Courier, i rather have him as a staller than anything else, my main goal anyways is to shape the courier to be able to fight the Servants but unable to kill them but instead he stalls them and forces them to retreat, they cannot simply overpower the number of traps and contraptions the courier might have put in place, try picturing Lancer detonating several cap mines, then tripping frag grenades and the being met by shots from unknown parts and while he tries to retreat he only winds up firing up more traps, calling so much unwanted attention that is a better idea to deal with The Courier for last, and if he were faced against the Servants he could at least give a decent fight and then retreat.

And i would like some one to help revise the Scenarios, i had them sitting for a while but i never had help of some one else to actually debate them.

You're underestimating Lancer methinks. Battle Continuation and Protection from Arrows pretty much hoses much of the courier's kit. And if you try to have him engage Cu in melee combat, weeeeeell.... you get the point.

Also: GAE BOLGU!!!

As for sniping Caster, Caster has that Argos spell that constantly shields her that has the same toughness as Berserker's skin. I'd like to see the bullet that can pierce that.

We all know how he'd end up against Herkzerker and I pretty much agree that Kojiro would beat the crap outta him.

[Siriel]

The Courier fits onto the exceptional category

Yeess, that wasn't my point. I wasn't saying "cannot be a Heroic Spirit GTFO", I was saying that the things that he's exceptional for don't really indicate that he would have such high stats. A-rank Strength, for example, is full power Saber with Rin as a Master level.

Now, not only have you given the Courier the same strength as King Arthur, you've given him that Strength stat while he's under one of the shittiest Masters in the history of the Holy Grail War. In addition to two other A stats and two B stats.
Those stats are better than Kiritsugu's Arturia and Tokiomi's Gilgamesh (not counting Noble Phantasm stat), despite those two being ridiculously powerful even by Servant standards*, being in classes that have generally higher stats and having better Masters.

*: Yes, Gilgamesh's power is basically completely unrelated to his stats, but they're still exceptional.

I acknowledge that given the Courier is one of my favorite characters i did gave him better stats, but i'd rather have him as a subversion of the typical assassin that is plain Squishy, the Courier won New Vegas not for being Squishy but for being smart, charismatic and crafty.

If you don't want him to have characteristics of the Assassin class, you could just...not put him in the Assassin class.

[Tyrnek]

The problem with Zelretch is that he's a plot device for lazy writers because of his powers, unless his appearance actually adds something to the story. Want something to happen but can't think of a creative justification? ZELRETCH LOLOLOL

I've been thinking of how to re work the rank parts i saw what a suggestion was but, the problem is very different, as unlike other servants the courier has also mechanical nature added to him, so determining how to translate Max S.P.E.C.I.A.L while avoiding a literal transition (if i went that path it would be a problem since S.P.E.C.I.A.L maxes at 10 which would be E rank for everything).

A Heroic Spirit doesn't have to be human to ascend to the Throne (Medusa, Frankenstein's monster, etc.), so you don't have a problem here. It doesn't matter if a spirit has A rank strength because of motors or A rank strength because of muscles. In the end, an A is an A (and not the level of strength the Courier has).

[Rin-chan Kaihou]

Point about Zelretch: He's basically the lazy TM fanfic writer's plot device. Want something to happen but can't think of a creative justification? ZELRETCH LOLOLOL

Guilty as charged.

[Tyrnek]

I swear I didn't mean that statement as a personal attack on anyone. Please don't hurt me :P.


Also, I thought the Archer class was the more "crafty asshole" class. Assassin is more "ruthless murderer".

[Seika]

A Heroic Spirit doesn't have to be human to ascend to the Throne (Medusa, Frankenstein's monster, etc.), so you don't have a problem here.

If either of them could have been summoned before Avenger's corruption of the system, I would be very surprised.

[Tyrnek]

^ Point. What about Enkidu, though? Does he not count due to the weird nature of F/SF?

[BlackField]

Am I the only one who finds it humorous, how he wants the Courier to be all about traps and forcing servants into draws and then gives him better stats than Berserkles, who pretty much stomps everyone through sheer stats alone.

As the name Fate/Strange Fake may suggest, the events in it are fake and strange(it was an april fools joke people).

[Arch-Magos Winter]

>No comments on Burned Man
I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not.

[SeiKeo]

It's funny that you complained about Bolivar and then made that.

[Arch-Magos Winter]

It's funny that you complained about Bolivar and then made that.

Yeah it kinda is though in universe those stats are pretty much backed up about as well as they can be. Plus, population in Fallout is like half a billion worldwide maximum. Probably less. More Mystery to go around. The profile is still pretty EMIYA aside from the Endurance.

[Rin-chan Kaihou]

Name: Nick Burkhardt

Class: Assassin

Parameters:

Strength: C - Nick's Grimm blood greatly enhanced his physical capabilities
Endurance: C+
Agility: D+
Magic: E
Luck: E+
Class Skills:

Presence Concealment (C): The ability to conceal one's self as a Servant. Having been someone who has police and detective training, knowledge of the modern world as well as knowledge about a specific magical community, Nick is capable of blending in with the general populace.

Personal Skills:

Presence Detection (B):The ability to sense shifts in the surroundings. Not only does Nick's heritage grant him superior senses, he is also well trained from his time as a detective as well as a lawkeeper for magical creatures to detect danger in the surroundings.

Fiend Hunter (C):A skill born in those whose expertise lies in the nonhuman. Grants a bonus to certain parameters when fighting nonhumans. Nick is a Grimm, a descendant of the famed Brothers Grimm famed for collecting information on the hidden world of the magical creatures and documenting them as fairy tales. Grimms are the peacekeepers of this hidden world, acting as detectives, enforcers and ambassadors between different species. At this rank, the Endurance, Agility and Luck parameters are increased when fighting nonhumans.

Eye for Art (E): The ability to recognize artistic anecdotes. At higher ranks, may reveal the true name of a Noble Phantasm with artistic features.Nick has inherited an artistic ability from his mother's side. However, it is limited to paintings and art featuring monstrous forms.

Spontaneous Aptitude (E): Combat capabilities not gained from any form of training. For some reason, the ability to use medieval weapons proficiently runs in the blood of the Grimms, allowing Assassin to use medieval weapons like swords and flails with great skill.

Noble Phantasms:

Wesenhunter, Blood of a Grimm: C-rank supplementary, always active
-The blood of the renowned Brothers Grimm that runs in Nick's veins. This heritage allows Nick to fight on par with low-tier Servants and nonhuman opponents despite being a generally weak Heroic Spirit. Not only does it greatly enhance his physical capabilities as well granting him several peripheral bonuses, the main power of his blood is the ability to "kill" the magical part of beings upon contact. While it doesn't do anything against those of Grimm descent, other magical beings will find their power either disappearing all at once or being sapped slowly, depending on the strength of the victim. Considering the magical properties of Servant containers, this Noble Phantasm proves highly effective when fighting Servants, allowing Nick to gain an advantage over the higher-tier Servants when he is wounded.

[Duncan Idaho]

Am I the only one who finds it humorous, how he wants the Courier to be all about traps and forcing servants into draws and then gives him better stats than Berserkles, who pretty much stomps everyone through sheer stats alone.

As the name Fate/Strange Fake may suggest, the events in it are fake and strange(it was an april fools joke people).

And i admit it , but i do not want the Courier i am planning to have E and D+ stats like Emiya Kiritsugu from Fake dreams, who relies on the same tactic, sans he has a personal ability that whenever he amubushes some one the damage goes up one rank, his phantasm is of C rank so whenever he can ambush he milks it for all it's worth, take an example of the hell he unleashed on Lancer, Archer and Rider (in separate occasions but the distance was of a few hours at best) he pretty much did not let them see him, started bombarding with C-4, grenades, Sub Machine gun, and given the sheer number of ambushes he planted he racked up a lot of damage on Rider and Archer.

So i am thinking of how i can fit the stats and not make him that squishy, that reminds me @Siriel i want to make a bit of a subversion and i play The Courier as an assassin so i thought it would be fun to try and port that way of playing the courier to the fate/verse.

Anyway looking at it i am going to edit a bit the stat sheet.

And wait, some one made Simón Bolívar a Servant? could any one please give me a link?

And i edited more the stats, i figured that the courier would have less use for some stats, i still want to keep the A luck, i reduced the eye of the mind to A+ and added a rank to his NP which is C+, not sure if to leave it at C+, the condition is ambush, or be in a deserted, sandy or desert like area, given his head gear comes with NV, is much easier for the courier to battle at night than at day.

[Tyrnek]

>No comments on Burned Man
I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not.

Harder target, less stuff to correct, so overall I'd say it's a good thing :P

[BlackField]

And i admit it , but i do not want the Courier i am planning to have E and D+ stats like Emiya Kiritsugu from Fake dreams, who relies on the same tactic, sans he has a personal ability that whenever he amubushes some one the damage goes up one rank, his phantasm is of C rank so whenever he can ambush he milks it for all it's worth, take an example of the hell he unleashed on Lancer, Archer and Rider (in separate occasions but the distance was of a few hours at best) he pretty much did not let them see him, started bombarding with C-4, grenades, Sub Machine gun, and given the sheer number of ambushes he planted he racked up a lot of damage on Rider and Archer.

Well, that scene made a lot of people(including myself) drop that particular fanfic. If you want to base your character on something that pretty much laughed at canon and Kiritsugu's own character, and then add stats because you want him to be less squishy...well, you've just made my day.

It's like all those times when everyone makes Emiya out to be super strong, agile, have the best NPs and all together unbeatable, you've pretty much removed everything that made him interesting and replaced them out of sheer fanboyism.