So basically, Gil's character alignment is Bipolar Good... especially if you start figuring in his younger self (and yes, I am aware that they're essentially completely different people).
So basically, Gil's character alignment is Bipolar Good... especially if you start figuring in his younger self (and yes, I am aware that they're essentially completely different people).
Or it comes from him eating orphans. Or throwing the Bull of Heaven's ass at Ishtar's face. Or raping newlywed women.
I know people love to harp on that but that was Kotomine's doing. Gilgamesh just didn't stop him. It's neither chaotic nor lawful.Originally Posted by Christemo
That was the law (not even a law that he put into place, it was already there), so that was a totally lawful act actually.
Values dissonance is a bitch, ain't it.
That's just insane troll logic. Not stopping someone from forcing you to eat orphans when you have a clear "Dont-harm-innocents-taboo" is evil and following a law that allows him to rape newlyweds is chaotic.
You're taking eating too literally, just to note.
And there's no forcing.
it's basically this:
Kotomine: "Hey Gilgamesh I'll use these dying kids to power you up."
Gilgamesh: "Not really necessary, but sure, whatever. Have fun."
Do you even know what lawful means?
Lawful = Following the law
Chaotic = Rape, hard drugs and getting blitzed on the gods' wine.
Bipolar Neutral. We have solved the mystery gentlemen.
For the newlywed thing, I would again have to point to values dissonance. Different times, different culture, different ethics, different standards.
For the orphans thing, I thought that Gil thought modern humans were all degenerate and roughly on the same level with insects, so it wouldn't bother him in the slightest if they died since he found them unworthy of his rule. He wanted to bring armageddon and rule over the survivors (who he would consider "fit to be ruled"), so having a few "insignificant" lives consumed to sustain his would be fine to him - and of course, "I AM THE LAW!".
Also,
Keep in mind we're talking about Kirei and horny-for-Saber Gilgamesh here.That's just insane troll logic.
EDIT: I type too damn slow.
Last edited by Tyrnek; August 9th, 2013 at 11:39 AM.
Nope, it's chaotic good.
Also, your definition of chaotic is false in a context where it represents the opposite of lawfulness.
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Actually, nobody thought it was cool back then either.
It's just, y'know, doesn't change that it's a lawful act in a society that has a law for that,
He didn't need them, they basically gave him nothing.
It was pretty much just him humoring Kotomine.
In one of the interludes in UBW where he's sitting in the Matou worm cellar, Gil mentions that he will not kill random innocents because they may have "worth" (He provides an example in the form of a farmer he got angry at and wanted to kill, only to stop himself because the farmer had worth to the kingdom). It's not modern humanity by themselves, it's that they have corrupted his "garden".
Actually, nobody thought it was cool back then either.He didn't need them, they basically gave him nothing.
It was pretty much just him humoring Kotomine.Oh. Nevermind then.In one of the interludes in UBW where he's sitting in the Matou worm cellar, Gil mentions that he will not kill random innocents because they may have "worth" (He provides an example in the form of a farmer he got angry at and wanted to kill, only to stop himself because the farmer had worth to the kingdom). It's not modern humanity by themselves, it's that they have corrupted his "garden".
It's that that he thinks that there are way too many people with functionally identical skills so it doesn't matter if they die. (His example isn't a farmer either but I guess that's nitpicking.)
"It happened a long time ago. I chose ten servants and tried to kill the one that I did not need. What do you think happened, Shinji?"
"Huh? They were all slaves, right? Then didn't you kill them all?"
"No. I actually could not kill anybody. None of the laborers were meaningless in the old world."
He shrugs his shoulders ironically and steps forward.
…A deeper darkness.
He raises his foot over the dark shadow.
"But this world is filled with extras. I believe there would not be a single meaningful person even if I sought through a thousand people.
Man, this world has gotten so friendly to humans."
Last edited by Siriel; August 9th, 2013 at 12:49 PM.
I still have a hard time comprehending why he didn't smite Shinji with his godly golden pimphand the moment he met him.
Because from Gilgamesh's point of view Shinji is hilarious.
He's also hilarious when he's splattered all over the wall by Berserker, so it'd be even better with a prim and proper original pimpslap.
And i have an other difficult character, gonna try to make it much more balanced than my last contribution
True Name: Daijuji Kurou (Elder God)
Class: Caster.
Bio
*Due to the Grail System forcing a class on him a number of his stats are dramatically lowered.
Parameters:
Strength : D
Endurance: C
Agility: C
Magical Power: A
Luck: E-
Class Skills :
Item Creation, A Rank: Kurou is the owner of two Elder gods Chaturga and Ithaqua both which are transformed onto Guns, aside that all Kurou's combat style is based about Creating items out of Thin Air, however this skill comes at the sacrifice of Territory creation as Kurou is unable to set even the most basic of the bounded fields.
Magic Resistance, D Rank: despite being an ascended being he still lacks endurance against the most terrible attacks an elder god can pull.
Personal Skills :
Battle Continuation, B Rank : Kurou has suffered what is possibly millions of wounds trough thousand years of battling, thus it has given him battle continuation, as long as the injuries suffered do not damage the heart or the brain Kurou can still battle.
High Speed Divine Words, Rank B : Kurou is the lover of the physical form of the Necronomicon and thus he is also her apprentice, given she is also the second oldest magic tome in existence she has taught Kurou much of the Ancient Magic, which gives him an edge over modern magi as he is able to produce Miracles that rival even the most of what modern Magi can pull (example the god shells of Chaturga and Ithaqua, modern magi would have problem just reproducing one of those given how the abhor technology).
Eternal Arms Mastership, rank C : Kurou is an adept close range combat, however he lacks of any real style causes a degradation of the skill, it still allows him to fight at a higher level if there is mental interference or if he happens to be knocked out of battle.
Divinity, Rank E : Attained because Kurou is among the few Humans who have ascended to godhood, diminished rank due to Kurou not having any divine lineage, and being a relative unknown deity, lowered to E rank from D rank due to Kurou's very own despise against the Elder Gods.
Master of Many specialization D rank: Kurou aside being a Master Sorcerer is also an expert detective and tracker, he also is an expert on politics, economics and the occult.
Noble Phantasm:
Shining Trapezoid, Rank EX (Anti Unit): This weapon looks like a double edged Nanigata but it's something totally different, it could be said it's a conceptual weapon with only a single function to Imprison, whatever is touched by the tips of the weapon is absorbed, be it physical or ethereal, and whatever is absorbed is sent to a closed dimension where the elder gods that have been defeated by said weapon reside, there is only one way for Kurou to unlock this weapon and use it, he must face an enemy that has Divine traits or belongs to the category of Chaotic Evil or Insane, if the conditions are met the phantasm is unlocked and it guarantees and automatic win against the enemy as it will not be `killed` but rather transported to a special jail, the only way to counter this phantasm is for Kurou to face Master Therion who owns also a Shining Trapezoid and both weapons will seek to clash one with the other which in turn will free all the prisoners of both items.
The NP drains 99.9% of the users energy thus it's single use and Kurou needs to rest for at least a week before being able to use the weapon again, the energy loss is due to how wild the item is, if it detects evil or divinity it will seek to lock in Target and much power is needed to restrain it.
Ithaqua and Chaturga C (Anti Unit)-A+ Rank (Anti Army): Both handguns are concept weapons, but different from mystic codes, given that the two weapons are the physical manifestation of two minor elder gods who have willingly submitted to Kurou's will, the + can only be activated if used with a different NP, the god beast shells, which allow for the physical projection of Chaturga and Ithaqua in their beast forms (otherwise this NP is C Ranked only when loaded with the bullets it reaches A+ rank).
God Beast Shells E rank (Anti Unit): the special bullets that Kurou uses to summon Chaturga and Ithaqua, at all times Kurou can only carry 10 of these and he needs special ingredients to actually make more so they are pretty much single use, unless loaded they are as effective as throwing a small rock bare handed to a giant steel wall.
The Special Combo C Rank (Anti unit): a combined attack, the Scimitar that can cut trough almost anything, the mirror of illusions and the threads that can trap anything, this gives Kurou the chance of pulling some devastating hits against his enemies, the NP is a fusion of three items he uses the Scimitar of Banzai, the Mirror of Noctis and the Threads of Atla Natcha, used in separate each item is an E ranked NP, their rank comes in their synergy.
Last edited by Duncan Idaho; August 9th, 2013 at 05:36 PM.
Gil got A+ charisma because in his time he ruled the entire world. Even a dictator could get B rank if they were successful.
(Also why is there such a big jump from B: Can lead armies to A: Can lead the world.)
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Amusingly it makes sense if you look at CCC. Wanted humanity to break out from the rule of the gods and rise for itself. :V
Gil loves humanity but dislikes people.
Last edited by Kyte; August 9th, 2013 at 02:57 PM.
Charisma is an inborn skill.
You can't gain it because of your deeds, you have to already have it.
Times like this I wish there was a Charm Skill it would help with the whole Charisma thing
You and me both. Charisma means one's ability to charm others, not one's ability to lead troops (though I can definitely see the connection between the two).
Gil would EX the Charm skill though because of his original CCC Goldmember.
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