Create your own Modern Fiction Servants

[eddyak]

Dante
Agility: A+

>Giving Dante the same agility level as someone who practised so hard he broke reality

Trollolololololol

Devil Trigger:
Type: Support
Rank: EX
This allows Dante to take his demon form, and briefly raise all his stats and skills. This also allows him to regenerate to some degree.

EX is for abilities that are completely unique, or make their user so powerful they literally transcend every damn living thing. No way some dumbass transformation is gonna be EX.

[willyvereb]

Just check Kenshin and his dreaded A+++ agility!

[Tangerang]

If Agi is a measure of how agile you are, why does mad enhancement (a high enough rank of it) increase agi?

Surely loss of sanity and thinking decreases how agile you are?

[HitokiriNanaya]

>Giving Dante the same agility level as someone who practised so hard he broke reality

Trollolololololol

>Implying that all the crazy tricks Dante does, from hitting the enemies in unique way's that no ordinary man could do to the fact that his Trickster style makes him almost impossible to hit, can be done by anyone.

=/

EX is for abilities that are completely unique, or make their user so powerful they literally transcend every damn living thing. No way some dumbass transformation is gonna be EX.

Yeah since the dumbass transformation made him powerful enough to take down the King of the demon world. And supposedly rivals, if not exceeds his father in power, who sealed the demon world by himself.

[eddyak]

>Implying that all the crazy tricks Dante does, from hitting the enemies in unique way's that no ordinary man could do to the fact that his Trickster style makes him almost impossible to hit, can be done by anyone.

Yeah, cos Heroic Spirits are ordinary men.

[willyvereb]

Those are still little in comparison to regular Servant stats.
A-rank agility may be justified, considering Dante's style but his endurance and strength stats are pure bollocks there. You know NP attacks aren't included in the strength stats and Servants can effortlessly tear up 100 square meters of buildings and asphalt in combat.

And defeating the king of hell isn't that nice if that certain king has barely any good feats. There are many mythological creatures better than Mundus and even defeating those won't warrant you the EX rank. His Devil Trigger is A or B rank at best. Also it might be better to include it as skill instead of a Noble Phantasm.

[Kenshin]

Just check Kenshin and his dreaded A+++ agility!

Not sure where you got that, since it actually says A++ in my post... And that may be debatable, but it's not that far-fetched since he's at least equal to Kojirou's A+ Agility.

[Lotus Saint]

Not sure where you got that, since it actually says A++ in my post... And that may be debatable, but it's not that far-fetched since he's at least equal to Kojirou's A+ Agility.

Yeah no.

[willyvereb]

I don't think Kenshin's skill ever surpassed the rules of physics. Kojiro essentially beat the rules of time and space to submission and performed 3 absolutely simulataenous attacks.
That's not exactly the level Kenshin is playing at. His best feat was to cut a vegetable in half so finely that he could stick it back together. Quite far from bending the reality.

[Kenshin]

Kenshin's Kuzu Ryu Sen is pretty much exactly the same thing as the Tsubame Gaeshi except it hits 9 times instead of 3. His Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki is so fast he goes from standing still to "so fast he's invisible" in one step. How exactly does Kojirou qualify for "so fast he breaks the laws of physics" and Kenshin doesn't?

[Lotus Saint]

Can't every servant mo so fast that they're invisible?

[willyvereb]

Except te fact that it barely surpasses the speed of sound while Kojiro's regular attacks alone are so fast that the obviously superonic Saber can't really see them.

Also I think you missed the part about Tsubame Gaeshi achiving the Second True Magic without the use of any magecraft but pure refined excessive skill.

So he trained until reality gave up limiting his movements and he can perform 3 slashes at exactly the same time. Kuzu Ryu Ken is incomparable to this insane thing.

Can't every servant mo so fast that they're invisible?

They can. At least any good Servant can. Diarmuid and Saber's first fight in Fate/Zero is the best example.

Even True Assassin has a disappearing from sight feat.

[eddyak]

Kenshin's Kuzu Ryu Sen is pretty much exactly the same thing as the Tsubame Gaeshi except it hits 9 times instead of 3. His Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki is so fast he goes from standing still to "so fast he's invisible" in one step. How exactly does Kojirou qualify for "so fast he breaks the laws of physics" and Kenshin doesn't?

Tohno Shiki pulled off "lol cut you to seven pieces" in an instant, can run along walls and disappear from sight. Void Ryougi's said to be far above his level, and even she can't pull off more than a defensive battle against a regular Servant.

[Kenshin]

Also I think you missed the part about Tsubame Gaeshi achiving the Second True Magic without the use of any magecraft but pure refined excessive skill.

So he trained until reality gave up limiting his movements and he can perform 3 slashes at exactly the same time.

Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of Kuzu Ryu Sen. Nine attacks that are so fast they are all preformed at exactly the same time.

[Lotus Saint]

Let's face it, Kenshin isn't very powerful.
Now let us continue with Servant creation.

Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of Kuzu Ryu Sen. Nine attacks that are so fast they are all preformed at exactly the same time.

You're not getting it.
and: Don't make me bring up touhou.

[Erlkonig]

You're not getting it.
and: Don't make me bring up touhou.

Not that I've marathoned the R. Kenshin anime, but isn't he implying that he uses something at the same level as Kojiro? That sounds kinda broken, I can't believe a character from THAT anime would be able to use Multi-dimensional Refraction phenomena.

[HitokiriNanaya]

Those are still little in comparison to regular Servant stats.
A-rank agility may be justified, considering Dante's style but his endurance and strength stats are pure bollocks there. You know NP attacks aren't included in the strength stats and Servants can effortlessly tear up 100 square meters of buildings and asphalt in combat.

Not really since Dante's been shot in the head, eat alive, stabbed twice in a row (and pinned to a wall with his own sword which he pulled off of himself) shot up, beat up, and been to hell and back. He's endurance is quick a feat.

And he was able to stop a giant statue's fist with both hands before it Nero killed the priest.

And defeating the king of hell isn't that nice if that certain king has barely any good feats. There are many mythological creatures better than Mundus and even defeating those won't warrant you the EX rank. His Devil Trigger is A or B rank at best. Also it might be better to include it as skill instead of a Noble Phantasm.

I can agree with this.

[eddyak]

Not that I've marathoned the R. Kenshin anime, but isn't he implying that he uses something at the same level as Kojiro? That sounds kinda broken, I can't believe a character from THAT anime would be able to use Multi-dimensional Refraction phenomena.

Yeah, pretty much. Kenshin might be insanely fast to regular swordsmen in his 'verse, but Kojiro's faced off and pretty much beaten Saber, who can consistently fight Diarmuid, a guy with two spears, at well over the speed of sound, he's repelled freaking Heracles, despite the fact that his attacks couldn't even penetrate the guy's skin, and fought off Lancer, the fastest Servant. He seriously doesn't stand a chance against people descended from gods and dragons and stuff.

[Kenshin]

Meh, as I'm sure you can tell from my username I'm a bit of a Rurouni Kenshin fanboy, and I'm not perfect, so after seeing those examples I'll admit I rated Kenshin's Agility higher than it should be.

I still don't see any difference between the Tsubame Gaeshi and the Kuzu Ryu Sen though. Just because it isn't called a Multi-dimensional Refraction Phenomenon, doesn't mean it isn't. It's the exact same end result preformed in the exact same way. But I guess I'll just agree to disagree.

[willyvereb]

I think your English skills could use some polishing then.
- Kenshin's Kaze Ryu Ken does 9 quick slashes that are so fast they seem to be instant.

- Kojiro's Tsubame Gaeshi works by multi-dimensional refraction phenomeon which brings 2 additional slashes for the original from parallel universes, essentially making 3 slashes that are literally instant.
To explain it more it's like Assassin suddenly grew four additional arms, making it six or he split into 3 persons for a moment. He performs 3 attacks from 3 different directions in a way to seal any space for evasion or dodge. Once you are caught by Tsubame Gaeshi, there's no escape.