Create your own Modern Fiction Servants

[Larekko12]

I can give you some links.

[Daneel Rush]

If you don't mind me butting in, maybe I can be of assistance by taking some of the Forgotten Realms characters? That's a setting I have some experience with.

[qsurf]

I can give you some links.

It's more than just their stats and history Larekko, I also need to see their interactions with other characters and their growth as characters.

For instance, if I did not read the Naruto manga, then I would see:
- Sarutobi as an old fool who has no business running a ninja village
- Kakashi as a grossly incompetent teacher
- Konohagakure as a place filled with fools following fools
- Sasuke as someone completely justified in leaving Konohagakure
- Naruto as an idiot who needs to die

It's just how my mind works, I'll need to play the game I guess, before I can take a crack at the Servants.


Edit:
You can go ahead Daneel, I'm not even sure if I am going to still go through with the Forgotten Realms characters...I've forgotten quite a bit about the famous ones. =/

[Larekko12]

youtube is a friend I think unless they've went and took those down.

[qsurf]

youtube is a friend I think unless they've went and took those down.

We'll see then I suppose, but I really, really can't promise anything...

It looks like I have found my limits now, thanks everyone! ^^

[Ergast]

- Any Forgotten Realms (This was the one that gave me the migraine if I remember)

Sorry about that. I chose to give you the challenge in a Mission Imposible format, because I understand it's hard to do FR characters. I really meant the whole "Your mission, if you accept it". Again, sorry

[ScarletWeather]

My apologies Cata, but I'm not versed enough with Peter Pan to give you a full reading, but I would like to point out that some of your skills seem to overlap and that there're quite a number of them. Maybe reducing the number would help keep things tidier?


Sounds good, but if you don't mind, what do you say we each do our version of W, OOO, and Fourze?

Challenge accepted~

It's time to count up your sins in space, one two and three? [/awful]

EDIT: And well, the reason I suggest Peter as Caster is mostly because even as a swashbuckler, all his abilities seem more in tune with a user of magecraft than they do a 'knight'. Though as a compromise if he has Hook's Pirate Ship, he's qualified for Rider.

[Cataquack Warrior]

I'd already tried to reduce Peter's list of skills prior to posting him here, so I thought I was okay. Where exactly is the overlap?

I admit that Peter could work as Caster. Even so, given that he has a strong record as a swashbuckler, I think that I'll leave him with Saber as his standard albeit unconventional form. However, Assassin, Caster, and Rider are all alternative classes for him.

[Angelform]

@Petrikow
Yep. It is supposed to represent that while she can survive ridiculous amounts of damage she does it by healing after each exchange. A single sufficiently devastating attack will kill her as easily as any other End-C Servant.
It is the best representation I can manage using the horrifically vague and imprecise stat system of the Nasuverse.

@ScarletWeather
Clearly you haven’t looked at the thread if you think Littlepip is broken. Or even seen the canon Servants.
Also can you give any reason, any at all, that a crystallised legend in the shape of a gun being powerful is ‘silly’ ? It has a name and a history. It was created by a legendary hero for highly personal reason. It was wielded by the greatest hero of the age and used to kill many interesting and powerful people and things.

Gai Ikari:
Sixteenth Hero- EX-
Utterly pointless. The conditions of the modern age make it difficult for people to become legendary heroes, it has no effect on their power as Servants. Age and time have no effect on the Throne whatsoever.

Peter Pan:
Very well put together, although I pity anyone unfortunate enough to summon him.


Anyway dug up another one.

Spoiler:

Class: Saber
Alignment: Neutral Good
True name: Shirou Emiya
Title(s): The King of Swords, Gandalfr, Elf Slayer, The Endless Armoury.
Crossover: Hill of Sword. (F/SN – ZnT AU xover)


Parameters
Strength: C+
Agility: B+
Endurance: B+
Prana: B
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: A++
Better stats than CGE (Counter Guardian EMIYA) reflecting both his superior class and the fact he actually has a legend behind him.


Class Skills
Magic Resistance: C (A)
Protection against magical effects.

Riding: D (A)
Basic proficiency with mundane mounts. If the mount is specifically designed for combat, such as a trained warhorse or a warplane, Gandalfr raises riding skill to A rank granting expert skill.


Personal Skills
Clairvoyance: C
Superior visual perception.

Eye of the Mind (True): B
Heightened insight due to combat experience.

Magecraft: C-
Capable of using Concept Magic. Saber specialises exclusively in Structural Analysis, Projection and Reinforcement.

Independent Action: D
Ability to operate without direct support of a master and persist for a short time (6 hours) without a contract.
Saber and his companions would often be tasked with undertaking quests with little to no help from their patrons and he would occasionally undertake tasks without even his master’s aid.
CGE was a lone wanderer, Saber actually had support to act independently from.

Guardian Knight: D
Temporary raises defensive power when protecting others.
Throughout his time in Halkeginia Saber fought only on behalf of others, whether his master, his companions or his liege.
Saber’s companions never abandoned him, even to his fall on the hill of swords.

Military Tactics: D
Tactical knowledge but for battles where many troops and tactical assets are mobilized.
Saber was part of the Tristain high command on a number of campaigns, although involvement was limited to the role he and his master were to play.

Favour of the Royal Dragon: B
Possesses the favour of a high draconic being, this is mirrored by lesser dragons and reptiles.

Pioneer of the Stars: EX
Saber was instrumental in the Second Founding, being a friend and mentor to many of the heroes and leaders of the time. Additionally Saber introduced Concept Magic, or Magecraft, to Halkeginia, although it was his master who Founded and taught the style to complement the native Elemental Magic.

Protection of the Fairies: E
A blessing from Elementals with the capacity to increase Luck in dangerous situations.
Saber once gave a mighty gift to a greater Water Spirit, for which it is eternally indebted to him.
Very low rank as the water spirit isn’t in much of a position to affect Saber on another world.

Master of Contracts: B
Extensive knowledge and experience of Master Servant bonds. Allowing a contract to be maintained in the absence of command seals or even form a new Master Servant contract so long as both participants are willing and compatible.
During his time with their career Saber and his master had their contract shattered and restored no less than five times and Saber is known to have had a Servant of his own prior to his summoning. Additionally he is credited with restoring the lost knowledge of human familiars: Servants.


Noble Phantasms
Gandalfr, The Left Hand of God: Support A
Taking the form of runes branded on the back of the users hand this innate skill is defined as the ability to ‘freely wield weapons.’ Whenever an object that can be conceived of as a weapon is held the holder is granted absolute skill with that weapon, as if they had spent years training with it. Additionally the wielder gains a bonus (+) to all physical stats as long as a weapon is being used.

Derflinger: Support B
An ancient sentient sword. Derf’s primary ability is to absorb magical energy, allowing it to block almost any magical projectile and raising the wielders Magic Resistance. Using either absorbed magic or its owners own reserves Derf may manipulate its wielders body should they be unable to, this grants Battle Constitution (Fake). As Derf has existed for many centuries and been partnered with many heroes it has vast knowledge, this grants Librarian of Stored Knowledge (Fake).

Unlimited Blade Works: Support F – A++ / A++
Saber’s Reality Marble is a hill studded with countless weapons.
- Archive (F – A++)
UBW is a repository containing a perfect image of every weapon and weapon like item Saber has ever encountered. Using projection Magecraft Saber may create near perfect copies of any of these weapons. The only known exceptions being Ea and Derflinger as both possess aspects that Saber cannot conceptualise. Due to Saber’s limited skill he may only project weapons into his grasp.
- Manifest (A++)
Saber and all nearby targets are drawn into UBW. Within this space Saber may project weapons far more efficiently and has a much greater ability to manipulate mundane blades, allowing him to rain swords down upon his foes.

[Ergast]

I have to agree, Littlepip (from now, LP) isn't exactly broken. Yes, changing the weather of everything she(he?) can see around is impressive, and worth of EX, but let's be serious here. In a battle of legends, it isn't exactly impressive for combat. Someone would say "Hey, it can summon twisters", and I agree that a twister is both destructive and impresive... until you compare it against The hammer of the Wind King, or Excalibur or *insert canon NP here*. LP stats aren't also anything to write home, too. Rank A NPs are casually blocked in the novel, too, and LP's two ranked EX skills... well, they aren't exactly broken, either.

Also, if someone can check it, I would be grateful, but didn't Nasu said that, in the modern era, while a human is nearly imposible to become a Legendary Soul, a famous weapon that commited something incredible can become a legend on its own?

About Sixteenth Hero... it makes sense, but only in the case of making posible for a person of the 21st century to become a Legendary Soul. Once you are a Legendary Soul, the power depends on the fame, not the age (well, the age helps), and the power it had when alive. Also, a Legendary Soul doesn't get a stats boost. They are as strong as they were when alive, and stronger than when summoned as Servants (that means that Arturia, Cu Chulainn, Heracles and the other Servants were broken as hell when alive).

But... now that I think about it, as a Servant skill it makes sense, because the Servants get a boost (Again, IIRC) to get nearer(sp?) their true power the more famous and old they are, but I don't think any Legendary Soul can have a skill like that...

[I3uster]

CG Emiya has the backup of the whole world boosting him like a motherfucker.
Haven't read HoS yet, but...reaching that boost seems impossible.

[Petrikow]

Spoiler:

Class: Saber
Alignment: Neutral Good
True name: Shirou Emiya
Title(s): The King of Swords, Gandalfr, Elf Slayer, The Endless Armoury.
Crossover: Hill of Sword. (F/SN – ZnT AU xover)


Parameters
Strength: C+
Agility: B+
Endurance: B+
Prana: B
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: A++
Better stats than CGE (Counter Guardian EMIYA) reflecting both his superior class and the fact he actually has a legend behind him.


Class Skills
Magic Resistance: C (A)
Protection against magical effects.

Riding: D (A)
Basic proficiency with mundane mounts. If the mount is specifically designed for combat, such as a trained warhorse or a warplane, Gandalfr raises riding skill to A rank granting expert skill.


Personal Skills
Clairvoyance: C
Superior visual perception.

Eye of the Mind (True): B
Heightened insight due to combat experience.

Magecraft: C-
Capable of using Concept Magic. Saber specialises exclusively in Structural Analysis, Projection and Reinforcement.

Battle Continuation (Fake): D
Externally induced ability to partially ignore disabling or incapacitating injuries, allowing withdrawal from hostile situations. See Derflinger.

Independent Action: D
Ability to operate without direct support of a master and persist for a short time (6 hours) without a contract.
Saber and his companions would often be tasked with undertaking quests with little to no help from their patrons and he would occasionally undertake tasks without even his master’s aid.
CGE was a lone wanderer, Saber actually had support to act independently from.

Guardian Knight: D
Temporary raises defensive power when protecting others.
Throughout his time in Halkeginia Saber fought only on behalf of others, whether his master, his companions or his liege.
Saber’s companions never abandoned him, even to his fall on the hill of swords.

Librarian of Stored Knowledge (Fake): C
Accompanied by a sentient entity of great age capable of providing information from memory or observation. See Derflinger.

Military Tactics: D
Tactical knowledge but for battles where many troops and tactical assets are mobilized.
Saber was part of the Tristain high command on a number of campaigns, although involvement was limited to the role he and his master were to play.

Favour of the Royal Dragon: B
Possesses the favour of a high draconic being, this is mirrored by lesser dragons and reptiles.

Pioneer of the Stars: EX
Saber was instrumental in the Second Founding, being a friend and mentor to many of the heroes and leaders of the time. Additionally Saber introduced Concept Magic, or Magecraft, to Halkeginia, although it was his master who Founded and taught the style to complement the native Elemental Magic.

Protection of the Fairies: E
A blessing from Elementals with the capacity to increase Luck in dangerous situations.
Saber once gave a mighty gift to a greater Water Spirit, for which it is eternally indebted to him.
Very low rank as the water spirit isn’t in much of a position to affect Saber on another world.

Master of Contracts: B
Extensive knowledge and experience of Master Servant bonds. Allowing a contract to be maintained in the absence of command seals or even form a new Master Servant contract so long as both participants are willing and compatible.
During his time with their career Saber and his master had their contract shattered and restored no less than five times and Saber is known to have had a Servant of his own prior to his summoning. Additionally he is credited with restoring the lost knowledge of human familiars: Servants.


Noble Phantasms
Gandalfr, The Left Hand of God: Support A
Taking the form of runes branded on the back of the users hand this innate skill is defined as the ability to ‘freely wield weapons.’ Whenever an object that can be conceived of as a weapon is held the holder is granted absolute skill with that weapon, as if they had spent years training with it. Additionally the wielder gains a bonus (+) to all physical stats as long as a weapon is being used.

Derflinger: Support B
An ancient sentient sword. Derf’s primary ability is to absorb magical energy, allowing it to block almost any magical projectile and raising the wielders Magic Resistance. Using either absorbed magic or its owners own reserves Derf may manipulate its wielders body should they be unable to, this grants Battle Constitution (Fake). As Derf has existed for many centuries and been partnered with many heroes it has vast knowledge, this grants Librarian of Stored Knowledge (Fake).

Unlimited Blade Works: Support F – A++ / A++
Saber’s Reality Marble is a hill studded with countless weapons.
- Archive (F – A++)
UBW is a repository containing a perfect image of every weapon and weapon like item Saber has ever encountered. Using projection Magecraft Saber may create near perfect copies of any of these weapons. The only known exceptions being Ea and Derflinger as both possess aspects that Saber cannot conceptualise. Due to Saber’s limited skill he may only project weapons into his grasp.
- Manifest (A++)
Saber and all nearby targets are drawn into UBW. Within this space Saber may project weapons far more efficiently and has a much greater ability to manipulate mundane blades, allowing him to rain swords down upon his foes.

I almost feel like a party pooper saying this, but hey, TOO MANY SKILLS (this was true with LP as well). We have only seen a max of 5 personal skills in canon (Cu Chulainn and the semi-canon St. George), and while this is a "fictional" Servant, I still think one should not simply disregard such rules (the cap on skills could possibly be because of the limitations on the Servant container). Here is my suggestions, naturally it is at your liberty to use them or not.

Remove Battle Continuation and Librarian of Stored Knowledge (which is put far too often on fanmade Servants who don't need it at all, but that is for another time) and simply put their descriptions in the Noble Phantasm section under Derflinger. There is absolutely no reason for them to be in skills. Once again, I refer back to canon, there are several Noble Phantasms that give supernatural skills but never list them under the skills section, like Arondight which "doubles the rate of rolling saving-throws". Basically, personal skills are personal for a reason.

Military Tactics seems completely superfluous, remember, despite many Heroic Spirits once being commanders in a war (like Arturia) they do not receive this skill. You only get it if you are especially known for military conquest. In fact, the skill seems almost rare in comparison to how many examples we have of commanders in war being summoned (this last part here is me speculating).

Pioneer of the Stars (which is tacked onto fanmade Servant even more liberally than LoSK... Yes I have a beef with this fact, also the skill is never less than EX, just... ugh) is a skill that at first seems to have no bearing on anything. Often it is just a "tag" on a Servant saying "This dude was involved with changing history forever". This is definitely the case with how you have put the skill on Shirou. In Fate/Extra, the sole possessor of this skill, Rider, seems to receive EX Luck because of it. I say that with a small hint of uncertainty because well, skills in Fate/Extra were never explained well (like, what does Protection of the Faith actually do? You know, except make you crazy?). Also, a personal theory on this skill... The Servant summoned with this skill must have been involved in changing the history of the world they are summoned into...

Blessing of the Fairies, as you mention yourself, is not in much of a position of affect Shirou from across a dimension. Just remove it.

Master of Contracts does not need to be there, simply bump up the Magecraft skills and note that "he is especially noted for his magical contracts" or something if you truly want to include it. Incidentally... "Allowing a contract to be maintained in the absence of command seals"... The contract (the line providing Prana to the Servant from the Master) is not broken after all three command spells are used up, it simply results in the Master not being able to threaten the Servant with absolute obedience, which can end up the Servant betraying the Master and then going on to form a new contract.

Finally, Favour of the Royal Dragon seems kinda underwhelming, and like Blessing of the Fairies, is it really effective across an entire dimension, where the dragons are probably different anyways?

As for the stat allocation, well... personally I am not a fan of using + modifiers on stats unless they are above A or have an item/skill that explicitly boosts the stat... neither which are present here...

I believe I am coming across as kind of overbearing in this post, but I mean no offense. There have been too many Servants lately that just have a million skills and it kind of ticks me off.

That's all. I think.

[I3uster]

Do I need to wave my "don't use Librarian of stored Knowledge unless your Servant has 100 souls" stick again?

[Five_X]

Do I need to wave my "don't use Librarian of stored Knowledge unless your Servant has 100 souls" stick again?

ER, I think that issue of yours was with Expert of Many Specializations... which, really, is quite a plausible skill for someone who's a recognized polymath.

[Angelform]

@Ergast
LP is female
Although considering it is the Nasuverse...

@I3urster
Only when he is actually acting as a CG, in which case he is a killbot with unlimited mana.
As a Servant he is a no name mage who is actually boosted by having a class.

Shirou in HoS is basically the equivalent of Lancelot... if Arthur’s kingdom stretched across the entire known world.

@Petrikow
Now this is the kind of discussion I am looking for.

Too many skills.
I never really paid much (if any) attention to Nasu’s convoluted and often contradictory rules. If a Servant should logically have a skill or weapon then they have it.

Remove Battle Continuation and Librarian of Stored Knowledge.
Fair point, changed.

Military Tactics.
Arguable. Despite the name the skill actually resolved the deployment of anti-army abilities. In HoS Shirou manages to solo entire armies on several occasions. The skill fit even if the name doesn’t.

Pioneer of the Stars.
In this case I take the EX to mean ‘impossible to quantify’ rather than ‘off the charts powerful’. The skill doesn’t exist except as EX rank and has no more actual effect than Divinity.

Blessing of the Fairies.
Caster’s (4th) Eye For Art had no functional relevance either given that all Servants have a chance of recognizing any NP they see.

Master of Contracts.
Again arguable. The skill is a meaningful part of his legend rather than just something he was good at. Although I agree the wording could probably do with a bit of work.

Favour of the Royal Dragon.
It serves much the same purpose as Lancer’s (4th) Mystic face, just with a different target group. As it was a Nasu draconic being that favored him and FoZ lizards that were enamored with him, yes it works across dimensional boundaries.

[Daneel Rush]

There's a perfectly logical reason for Servants to have a limited number of Skills. Besides, it's just more elegant and commendable to condense the greatness of a Heroic Spirit within the limited container that is a Servant, rather than just bloating them with all sorts of cool Skills.

IMHO, that is.

[Petrikow]

@Ergast
LP is female
Although considering it is the Nasuverse...

@I3urster
Only when he is actually acting as a CG, in which case he is a killbot with unlimited mana.
As a Servant he is a no name mage who is actually boosted by having a class.

Shirou in HoS is basically the equivalent of Lancelot... if Arthur’s kingdom stretched across the entire known world.

@Petrikow
Now this is the kind of discussion I am looking for.

Too many skills.
I never really paid much (if any) attention to Nasu’s convoluted and often contradictory rules. If a Servant should logically have a skill or weapon then they have it.

Remove Battle Continuation and Librarian of Stored Knowledge.
Fair point, changed.

Military Tactics.
Arguable. Despite the name the skill actually resolved the deployment of anti-army abilities. In HoS Shirou manages to solo entire armies on several occasions. The skill fit even if the name doesn’t.

Pioneer of the Stars.
In this case I take the EX to mean ‘impossible to quantify’ rather than ‘off the charts powerful’. The skill doesn’t exist except as EX rank and has no more actual effect than Divinity.

Blessing of the Fairies.
Caster’s (4th) Eye For Art had no functional relevance either given that all Servants have a chance of recognizing any NP they see.

Master of Contracts.
Again arguable. The skill is a meaningful part of his legend rather than just something he was good at. Although I agree the wording could probably do with a bit of work.

Favour of the Royal Dragon.
It serves much the same purpose as Lancer’s (4th) Mystic face, just with a different target group. As it was a Nasu draconic being that favored him and FoZ lizards that were enamored with him, yes it works across dimensional boundaries.

The bolded part is a problem. I already listed the probable reason why they do not have all their skills (Limitations of the Servant container prepared by the Holy Grail).

4th Caster's (who by the way, was a completely defect Servant, the Grail mixed up his legend due to the imperfect summoning he endured) Eye for Art (E-) was a morbid joke about how he sees creating statues of out corpses as art. E- also seems like the one of the few times a skill is actually worse than a regular humans, so for that reason it was probably worth mentioning. Technically it does have a function, the Rank is just so bad that it does not really help him at all.

Well, for one, I do not really want to get into an argument about what EX is (we have those too often)... but personally, this is my reasoning: EX is "impossible to quantify" BECAUSE it is "off the charts". Look at any of the things given to EX, look at the stat chart I linked earlier. EX is "impossible to quantify because it is too powerful". If a skill can only have one rank then why give it a rank to begin with, there is even an example of this: Tsubame Gaeshi (also Uncrowned Martial Arts possessed by Karna, but that is questionable since it is from F/A).

Favour of the Royal Dragon just seems like such a strange skill to me, that is probably my main beef with it. It is odd.

The ones at you listed at arguable I still stand by to be removed.

[Lycodrake]

EX=pineapple/10, as someone stated here on BL before...

[Petrikow]

EX=pineapple/10, as someone stated here on BL before...

Technically, the first EX we see in Fate actually has a numerical value attached to it, namely: Enuma Elish's maximum output being 4000. A is 50, so if we quantified Enuma Elish using + modifiers it would be A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (that is 79 +'s)

[I3uster]

ER, I think that issue of yours was with Expert of Many Specializations... which, really, is quite a plausible skill for someone who's a recognized polymath.

It's unnecessary to put that as a skill though, unless you are 100-faced Assassin. Quite sure that a few HS have diverse skillsets, but this skill is still limited to this particular case.

Technically, the first EX we see in Fate actually has a numerical value attached to it, namely: Enuma Elish's maximum output being 4000. A is 50, so if we quantified Enuma Elish using + modifiers it would be A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++(that is 79 +'s)

Don't ever take Nasunumbers seriously unless they are used as a DIRECT comparison between other Nasunumbers by Nasu himself.