Fate/school life

[warellis]

From what I remember the author never really gave a C&D, he just said that, despite not being able to endorse something unofficial, he found it suprising that a fan was putting in the work that comes with translating a reference-heavy manga.

Oh. But I distinctly recall someone here mentioning School Life had been getting translated and the fan translator received a C&D which caused the translation to stop for a long time at only a few chapters or something.

[spacelamp]

Authors don't normally issue C&Ds, but the problem is that if a fan translation gains the attention of the writer, then that probably means it'll attract the attention of the publishers as well. Especially if they tweet about it. Once they do that, anyone and everyone who follows them on social media can become aware of it. And unfortunately, publishers tend to follow writers that work for them. In this case, that publisher would be Ichijinsha.

[Ragnar]

There was never a C+D - I offered to stop translating after he found out, and was told that it was a problem to do the whole thing, but parts of it here and there were OK. Mashin has never been anything but incredibly kind.

In terms of the "new translation" being posted online, here's just one example of my work compared to his "work" - the entire chapters are like this. You can still find the version I did on older scan sites, but I'm not going to upload it again. His translation notes are all cribbed from mine as well, with a few extra ones I didn't catch added in.


Mine:



His:



You can draw your own conclusions.

[Paulie25]

My general feel with the TL is that it does read kinda stilted but the reference pages at the end are nice to read so I do appreciate it. It’s kinda nice he decided to do even the stuff that was already done even if your OG translation was real good.

Although Himuro is a lot of chapters so it’ll probably be a while before he finishes at his rate.

[Ragnar]

My point is that his translations are just mine reworded. That's why they sound stilted, because mine were also awful and he's copying them literally. Instead of just rewording what I did, he could just post the old ones and give me credit.
I had talked to the guy in the past several years ago where he had indicated he was going to use MTL, so I encouraged him to get a real translator and gave him some pointers - a little disappointed this is the route he took. I hope he does not just use MTL after he runs out of my stuff to use.

[warellis]

Wow the translator reminds me of those shitty MTL translators on places like E-hentai/Exhentai that often put out quick MTL translations and refuse to credit others when it's clear they're copying or stealing.

Pretty shitty of this "translator" honestly.

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My point is that his translations are just mine reworded. That's why they sound stilted, because mine were also awful and he's copying them literally. Instead of just rewording what I did, he could just post the old ones and give me credit.
I had talked to the guy in the past several years ago where he had indicated he was going to use MTL, so I encouraged him to get a real translator and gave him some pointers - a little disappointed this is the route he took. I hope he does not just use MTL after he runs out of my stuff to use.

The translator is the same person doing several other Type-Moon manga, including Fate/Grand Order's SE.RA.PH. manga. Do we know if they used MTL or anything like that for those other series?

[Hawkeye]

Huh, I only just remembered, I have a new source for raws and could totally be digging through this. Thanks for the reminder folks.

[Paulie25]

I guess we never posted in this thread about it but Himuro’s over now. RIP.

Apparently the girl who looks like Hakuno has their name revealed in the final Volume (it’s familiar to Hollow fans apparently), and the guy who looks like Hakuno has their backstory and stuff revealed as well?

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I guess we never posted in this thread about it but Himuro’s over now. RIP.

Apparently the girl who looks like Hakuno has their name revealed in the final Volume (it’s familiar to Hollow fans apparently), and the guy who looks like Hakuno has their backstory and stuff revealed as well?

Huh, neat. I don't know anything about these characters since the translation hasn't gotten to when they are introduced yet.

[Comun]

In short, Mashin put male Hakuno in HimuTen as Issei's vice-president. He's so much of an EXTRA reference that he never gets direct dialogue. All of his dialogue is delivered through covering the panel with text that blurs the lines between first-person and narration and spoken dialogue, exact how it's presented in EXTRA, which is a touch I like a lot. But this character predates the name Kishinami Hakuno, so at the time of his debut, Mashin just called him Tsunokuma. A couple of years later, Hakuno got their default name, and it certainly wasn't Tsunokuma. Another problem is that Hollow Ataraxia already established that Issei's vice-president was a woman named Kirishima, so these 15 years since Tsunokuma's debut, a lot of fans had been wondering what was up with that. Then began the hoop jumping to make all of that work.

First off, around 2013, Mashin introduced the student council secretary, a classmate of Tsunokuma who is identical to female Hakuno. She was unnamed until the newly-released final volume, but at this point the name Kishinami Hakuno already existed, so pretty much everyone expected this to be her name, since Tsunokuma was already Tsunokuma. That wasn't the case but we'll get there. Another popular theory for years is that she was the Kirishima mentioned in Hollow. This one turned to be correct. Incidentally, at some point years later, Tsunokuma's full name is given as Tsunokuma Hakuno, but Kirishima didn't get a first name.

The Hakunos remained pretty minor characters for a while, until the big card game tournament arc after the Grail War suddenly gave Tsunokuma a lot more focus. A major gimmick of him is that he always appeared half-asleep, but whenever he woke up, he would prove himself absurdly capable for a moment then get back to his default sleepy state. Rin had previously suspected this to be a form of magecraft, but found no concrete indication of it and ended her evaluation there. In the tournament finale, Hishiri took a more detailed look at his weird quirk and determined it was a kind of precognition-based psychic ability that allowed him to predict three of his opponent's next actions (think of Fate/EXTRA gameplay letting you see up to three out of six of any enemy's moves each turn) and that his sleeping bouts are consequence of the burden his ability has on his brain. Her main claim is that Tsunokuma's ability could only be used to its full potential somewhere like a cyberspace where he's not restricted by his physical body.

Another relevant post-Grail War development is the introduction of Rani VI, a new teacher replacing Kuzuki in all of his duties after his "disappearance" during the Grail War. As the name suggests, she's an Atlas homunculus two versions earlier than the Rani VIII featured in EXTRA, since those stories are technically 3 decades apart from each other. Not much to say about Rani VI's pre-finale interactions with the Hakunos.

And I guess that's pretty much all the pre-finale set-up, so let's get to the new content from the final volume. Rani VI takes interest in Tsunokuma's psychic power and offers to take him to Atlas to get medication that will contain the burden to his brain. We get more detail that Tsunokuma's ability is not an inborn power but something he acquired from surviving the Fuyuki Fire (weird choice, I have no idea how that works). Also, Tsunokuma is the name of the family that adopted him after the fire, and his late parents were named Kishinami, making his birth name "Kishinami Hakuno". Anyway, Tsunokuma went to Atlas with Rani, with Ayaka escorting the two to Egypt. On the way, they pass by the Inari Shrine, leading to a random tangent where an unidentified Tamamo tail labels Rani and Ayaka as adulterers and almost kills them, but Rani settles the issue by signing multiple pacts with the spawned Divine Spirit.

Then there's Issei's successor issues. Issei wanted Tsunokuma to be his successor, but that was no longer an option because Tsunokuma decided he was leaving to Egypt with Rani for his medical treatment. Thanks to that, Issei's secretary, here revealed to be named Kirishima, is promoted to vice-president replacing her fellow Hakuno. However, Kirishima openly doesn't want to be the next president, so he can't indicate her without risking rumors that she's a puppet leader, and that makes all of Issei's complaints about his succession issues in Hollow check without Mashin's original takes on the student council dynamics.

[Paulie25]

Well as always thank you for your summary Comun.

As for thoughts, that’s cute. The connection to the Fuyuki Fire is kinda hamfisted but I get that Mashin wanted to connect to all of Hakuno’s fire flashbacks. For a pretty not planned out plot point he wrapped it up in a pretty cute way.

Although this makes me wonder on if you can retrofit any of Tsunokuma’s lore onto Real World Hakuno in the EXTRA timeline.

[Rafflesiac]

Lol, Tamamo.

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In short, Mashin put male Hakuno in HimuTen as Issei's vice-president. He's so much of an EXTRA reference that he never gets direct dialogue. All of his dialogue is delivered through covering the panel with text that blurs the lines between first-person and narration and spoken dialogue, exact how it's presented in EXTRA, which is a touch I like a lot. But this character predates the name Kishinami Hakuno, so at the time of his debut, Mashin just called him Tsunokuma. A couple of years later, Hakuno got their default name, and it certainly wasn't Tsunokuma. Another problem is that Hollow Ataraxia already established that Issei's vice-president was a woman named Kirishima, so these 15 years since Tsunokuma's debut, a lot of fans had been wondering what was up with that. Then began the hoop jumping to make all of that work.

First off, around 2013, Mashin introduced the student council secretary, a classmate of Tsunokuma who is identical to female Hakuno. She was unnamed until the newly-released final volume, but at this point the name Kishinami Hakuno already existed, so pretty much everyone expected this to be her name, since Tsunokuma was already Tsunokuma. That wasn't the case but we'll get there. Another popular theory for years is that she was the Kirishima mentioned in Hollow. This one turned to be correct. Incidentally, at some point years later, Tsunokuma's full name is given as Tsunokuma Hakuno, but Kirishima didn't get a first name.

The Hakunos remained pretty minor characters for a while, until the big card game tournament arc after the Grail War suddenly gave Tsunokuma a lot more focus. A major gimmick of him is that he always appeared half-asleep, but whenever he woke up, he would prove himself absurdly capable for a moment then get back to his default sleepy state. Rin had previously suspected this to be a form of magecraft, but found no concrete indication of it and ended her evaluation there. In the tournament finale, Hishiri took a more detailed look at his weird quirk and determined it was a kind of precognition-based psychic ability that allowed him to predict three of his opponent's next actions (think of Fate/EXTRA gameplay letting you see up to three out of six of any enemy's moves each turn) and that his sleeping bouts are consequence of the burden his ability has on his brain. Her main claim is that Tsunokuma's ability could only be used to its full potential somewhere like a cyberspace where he's not restricted by his physical body.

Another relevant post-Grail War development is the introduction of Rani VI, a new teacher replacing Kuzuki in all of his duties after his "disappearance" during the Grail War. As the name suggests, she's an Atlas homunculus two versions earlier than the Rani VIII featured in EXTRA, since those stories are technically 3 decades apart from each other. Not much to say about Rani VI's pre-finale interactions with the Hakunos.

And I guess that's pretty much all the pre-finale set-up, so let's get to the new content from the final volume. Rani VI takes interest in Tsunokuma's psychic power and offers to take him to Atlas to get medication that will contain the burden to his brain. We get more detail that Tsunokuma's ability is not an inborn power but something he acquired from surviving the Fuyuki Fire (weird choice, I have no idea how that works). Also, Tsunokuma is the name of the family that adopted him after the fire, and his late parents were named Kishinami, making his birth name "Kishinami Hakuno". Anyway, Tsunokuma went to Atlas with Rani, with Ayaka escorting the two to Egypt. On the way, they pass by the Inari Shrine, leading to a random tangent where an unidentified Tamamo tail labels Rani and Ayaka as adulterers and almost kills them, but Rani settles the issue by signing multiple pacts with the spawned Divine Spirit.

Then there's Issei's successor issues. Issei wanted Tsunokuma to be his successor, but that was no longer an option because Tsunokuma decided he was leaving to Egypt with Rani for his medical treatment. Thanks to that, Issei's secretary, here revealed to be named Kirishima, is promoted to vice-president replacing her fellow Hakuno. However, Kirishima openly doesn't want to be the next president, so he can't indicate her without risking rumors that she's a puppet leader, and that makes all of Issei's complaints about his succession issues in Hollow check without Mashin's original takes on the student council dynamics.

Huh, that's a lot more than I was expecting. Thanks for the summary.