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    [x] Study Reinforcement (This seems like the most immediately rewarding, although I do also favor Numerology)

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    Use structural grasp on EVERYTHING;
    Study Reinforcement;
    Study Projection;
    Study Numerology;
    See text;

    Structural grasp is apparently basic and cheap enough that we use it to train how to better use each of our individual circuits. If we could open/close any specific circuit in demand, or at least the initial 40 Rin had, it will increase a lot the control. Another benefit comes with better understanding of the physical world, and as much as the magi like to ignore it, it's were they live and were they do their research.

    Better understanding of the physical world means better reinforcement on the long run. If anything, you can improve your control greatly.

    Better understanding of the physical world also means better projection. Probably we will never get to the point of Shirou, but maybe there is room to conduct a research and make our own jewels on demand, instead of using our (future) near depleted capital on one shot items.

    With numerology, since it is incredibly quick, we can use it's principles for a lot of practical applications, freeing precious time for research. If we can combine the numerology speed, a (good enough) projected gem and some kind of spell to absorb mana from the air into the gem, we can have a greater quantity of gems to burn in the future.

    Freeing time for us to go after the true gold: Zelretch.

    On a different note, what are the magical properties of quartz? I heard in real life it have something to do with 'storing energy' or something.
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    You began studying Reinforcement, but Poppa restricted you from using it on yourself. Instead, he taught you how to reinforce certain aspects of a crystal first. You picked this up quickly, even faster than Rin did in actuality. However, your unique situation helped you to understand it from multiple perspectives…

    …by the end of the week, you could make a crystal smoother, harder, or even shinier. Of course, you did break several crystals when your prana got out of control when you initially started, but that was no problem for you because you knew how to fix crystals by now. What was a problem, however, was that a crystal is simple in its form… you found it harder to reinforce more difficult things the less you understood them.

    Still, you reached a point where you could not reinforce things any longer without greater understanding of them… leading to your next assignment to yourself.

    You approached Poppa at the end of the week while Sakura and Momma were out dong shopping and showed him your grasp at reinforcement with crystals. The tiny gem you held in your hand refracted light so many times in that instant that, even though you were in a dimly lit room, it looked like a tiny flashlight.

    “You’ve done well.” Poppa clapped twice before your lightshow stopped, “and does this mean you want to learn something else again, my curious daughter?”

    “Uh!” You smiled happily, “I want to learn how to… structural… how to analyze… erm… How to study things?”

    Poppa chuckled and patted you gently before showing you how to use structural analysis. He seemed to be slightly puzzled why you wanted to learn something so… simple, but seemed to rationalize it being a child’s curiosity at work.

    The act of analyzing seemed easy enough and you grasped the basic concept of it within a day. But then you realized that, unlike the other characters you may know, you can’t just analyze the structure of physical objects without concentrating your prana through it. This usually took you several minutes before you could understand the composition of a more complex item, like an automobile. But due to your rather… vast and diverse… well of knowledge, you found that you could understand things on a deeper level than Emiya Shirou ever could. It did not necessarily mean it was a good thing however, because this only made your process of analyzing take even more time.

    You found that you had an easier time analyzing prana and actual spells than physical objects, but not by much. This was mostly due to Rin’s talent for magecraft that you were able to understand magecraft better with structural analysis. Still, it was interesting using this new technique on simple things like the swings at the park or the jewelry that Uncle Kariya gave you.

    You saw the world in a different light, as did Rin. Some of your deeper understanding of atoms and molecules and the smaller, more scientific things in the world seemed to bleed off to her once again. This only fueled her curiosity for learning and in turn fueled your own as well.

    Somewhere near the end of this week, you found out you could analyze yourself… and then analyze what effects of reinforcement did to you. You did this on whim, without Poppa watching. Thankfully, you didn’t blow your body apart, but you found out many things about yourself and learned at least a basic theory behind how to apply reinforcement to your own body by the end of the month.

    [Character Sheet]
    Name: Tohsaka Rin
    Height: 122 cm
    Weight: 28 kg
    Magic Circuits: 40 (6040)
    Output: 400 (1600)

    Familiars: Rank --
    Item Construction: Rank --
    Jewel Magecraft: Rank E (E)
    Martial Arts: Rank F (F+)
    Numerology: Rank --
    Reinforcement: Rank F (D)
    Structural Analysis: Rank F (D)

    By the end of the month, Momma didn’t feel very well and did not take you or Sakura to the park this week. Poppa was busy with work or something like it, so you couldn’t bother him either. Sakura approached you with tears in her eyes, “R-Rin, I’m lonely…!”

    “Oh, Sakura…” You hugged her, “Come here. You have me, you know? Always…”

    “B-But Momma is sick and Poppa is busy and Unca Kariya doesn’t come…” She sniffled, “I…” She ducked her head shyly and fidgeted with her fingers.

    “I wish we had more friends too,” You replied, “B-but at least we have each other… right?”

    “Rin…”

    “Sakura…”

    [ ] Friend? Make a Familiar!
    [ ] Comfort Sakura by teaching her magecraft…
    [ ] Take her out to the park, maybe you’ll meet Unca Kariya?
    [ ] Other
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    Get her a kitten friend familiar.
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Make her a familiar and tell her to pinky promise that she'll keep it secret forever! It'll be just between you two!

    ...actually, now that I see Rin having no Ranks in Familiars, we'd better not do something that could blow up in our face or accidentally summon House Husband Archer.

    Take her to the park.

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    Take her to the park.

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    @Blob oh god House Husband rofl.


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    Make each other each other's Familiar?

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    Bloble: what would be so bad about summoning House Husband Archer, exactly? That timeline ends up a lot better than canon....

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    yeah, if you do try for familiar, there's a 1% chance of Emiya being summoned.

    EDIT: depending on the method you use to make/summon the familiar of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whosaidthat View Post
    Better understanding of the physical world also means better projection. Probably we will never get to the point of Shirou, but maybe there is room to conduct a research and make our own jewels on demand, instead of using our (future) near depleted capital on one shot items.
    They aren't generally used as one shot items.
    Quote Originally Posted by whosaidthat View Post
    With numerology, since it is incredibly quick, we can use it's principles for a lot of practical applications, freeing precious time for research. If we can combine the numerology speed, a (good enough) projected gem and some kind of spell to absorb mana from the air into the gem, we can have a greater quantity of gems to burn in the future.
    Your plan won't work because projection isn't permanent unless you have a excellent understanding of what your trying to project and the materials necessary to actually make the item you want to project.
    Projection(Gradation Air)
    "The most difficult of the RAP trio. Also, the most useless in combat. Thaumaturgy where a mirror image of an original object is physically materialized through Prana. Normally, gradation air is used to project, as a substitute for a ritual, a "lost" object for only a few minutes within one's own time axis. Not efficient at all, under normal circumstances. Best thought of as a video rental where you only get the cover of the video and not the video itself, in these cases. Of course, that cover itself is close to the original physically."

    ......Preparation of the needed materials as well as the appropriate knowledge of whatever's being constructed in addition to the overlaying of one's own image on top of those materials is the normal way of stabilizing the projected item to get something close to the original. Rin originally planned on having Shirou use this method to make Zelretch.
    Quote Originally Posted by whosaidthat View Post
    On a different note, what are the magical properties of quartz? I heard in real life it have something to do with 'storing energy' or something.
    Rin excells at storing prana inside of objects due to her Sorcery Trait with gems being used due to their high prana storing capacity and the fact that prana stored in them also acquires special properties(ex prana stored in a topaz gem gains anti spirit properties)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1984 View Post
    Bloble: what would be so bad about summoning House Husband Archer, exactly? That timeline ends up a lot better than canon....
    Yeah, but it wouldn't be as fun. This is Magus Quest, not DAWWWWWW SO HEARTWARMING Quest. Emiya showing up would be awesome, but we'd probably be delegated to a side role.

    Although, just saying, if we were to try and summon a familiar, maybe we should see if we can get our hands on that fancy jewel necklace for bonus Emiya chances.

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    Reinforcement would increase the amount of Prana each jewel could hold before it fell apart, something we should show Papa. Numerology and Alchemy are both things that should be looked into, one for the possibility of creating jewels out of cheep materials (there are more than a few methods of artifically creating them scientifically thus it is doable) while the other is simply dead useful across the board.

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    [x]Go to the park and go hunting for friends or to wherever little kids hang out. If there is an Arcade go there.
    Then let it break, if it shatters to pieces then forge an even better blade to take in hand. Should that blade crack then forge once again, untill the battlefield is a graveyard of blades that have fallen and but a single sword claims the field that embodies the world. Let that sword bear the world untill its time comes and time blows its dust to the winds. Then forge again.---Eric Dagger



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    Unca...

    There is an arcade... Probably. You some of the other kids in the park talking about it but from their perspective it seems kind of far...

    ...also if you figure out how to make diamonds through magecraft, more power to you.

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    [ ] Take her out to the park, maybe you’ll meet Unca Kariya?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bloble View Post
    Although, just saying, if we were to try and summon a familiar, maybe we should see if we can get our hands on that fancy jewel necklace for bonus Emiya chances.
    Isn't that jewel not finished yet or shortly going to be stored away?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsurō View Post
    Reinforcement would increase the amount of Prana each jewel could hold before it fell apart, something we should show Papa.
    Er what exactly are you trying to say here? Because reinforcing an object requires a Prana drain over time making it worthless for improving a jewel for storing prana....
    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsurō View Post
    Numerology and Alchemy are both things that should be looked into, one for the possibility of creating jewels out of cheep materials (there are more than a few methods of artifically creating them scientifically thus it is doable) while the other is simply dead useful across the board.
    Yes it is doable but you don't get any of the special properties none artificially made jewels give prana stored in them, and we'll probably run into issues of reliability and/or jewels that only store a small amount of prana due to the jewels being made from cheap materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yun View Post
    [ ] Take her out to the park, maybe you’ll meet Unca Kariya?
    Isn't that jewel not finished yet or shortly going to be stored away?
    Er what exactly are you trying to say here? Because reinforcing an object requires a Prana drain over time making it worthless for improving a jewel for storing prana....
    Over time, yes...meaning that in the relative short term it would be an improvement, and who knows what discoveries could be made to power the relatively low-level art of Reinforcement for longer, a magical form of transduction?
    Quote Originally Posted by Yun View Post
    Yes it is doable but you don't get any of the special properties none artificially made jewels give prana stored in them, and we'll probably run into issues of reliability and/or jewels that only store a small amount of prana due to the jewels being made from cheap materials.
    ...wtf?
    You do know that all jewels, both artificial and natural are made out of elements that are cheep and relatively plentiful in their natural state? Like carbon, aluminium, silicon and whatever and that their value is determined by act of man ascribing value to them based on how shiny they are? And where do you get that artifically formed jewels won't hold prana or at least a lot less prana? The only difference between artifical jewels and the real ones, other than compounds added to show that they are artifical which isn't required by any law that I know of and isn't vital to their forming, is simply the time frame they take in forming, otherwise they are identical.

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    I'm guessing natural jewels are older and thus have more 'history' or 'mystery' and are possibly made in the Age of Gods and are thus better than ordinary jewels.

    But really, I dunno. Canon is weird sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deviatesfish View Post
    If God existed, God does not exist in Nasuverse. >:3
    Actually he does. Its just after creating everything, he decided to go on a permanent vacation, almost as if Creation was a major thesis project for finishing college or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloble View Post
    I'm guessing natural jewels are older and thus have more 'history' or 'mystery' and are possibly made in the Age of Gods and are thus better than ordinary jewels.

    But really, I dunno. Canon is weird sometimes.
    Nasu is unreliable narrator, so screw canon.

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