The fact that Mahoyo was written in 1996.
The fact that Mahoyo was written in 1996.
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Okay, you're right. Still though, it was Nasu's freaking first ever written novel, so it must've undergone quite a few changes from initial draft to VN. Therefore, I still maintain the possibility of elements from Fate cross-contaminating and inspiring ones we see in Mahoyo, even if the concept of that series was originated first.Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart
Also, I really find it unbelievably inspiring how Nasu managed to publish his first ever work after all this time. Even given extensive editing, that it stands at such a high level of quality really goes to show Nasu's worth as a writer...
It's pretty clear that the worldbuilding was figured out long before the subsequent stories. Rakkyo was written only a couple years later, and Prototype doesn't actually come off mechanically different from FSN.
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You can't just abstract world-building away from the lore and thematic elements, though.
To some extent, Nasu may've decided that's the way curses work in his setting precisely because he wanted to use them for that kind of character...
If you haven't read enough Nasu to say "ahh yes, so that explains why mechanics for the curse of restoration, akiha's shikigami curse, gae bolg, sita and rama's curse and a whole bunch of other curses in the Nasuverse are so similar," then you keep believing what you want to believe friend.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
About the amount of work put into recent servants, from the latest interview, we know the 3 writers (Nasu, Higashide, Sakurai) make 1 servant each per month. Now, they definitely have other writing to do so they can't spend the entire month reading and researching, but it's not like they throw random ideas together and call it a servant.Shows just how much thought and research goes into the Servants we see, I suppose.
...Or at least it did back in ye olde days of Stay Night, I have no idea how much thought is put into the narrative themes behind Servants now that they're being practically shovelled out like candy in Grand Order. (Not to diss on the GO designs, and I'm far from one to criticize when it comes to shovelling out Servants like candy...)
Shinjuku Kinokuniya is doing a special fair for TM books, related books, and books the writers and artists recommended, going on till the end of April IIRC. They had little cards with comments from the writers on how they use the book as reference, or how they just thought it was a good read and we should read it too. I thought it showed how much thought and effort they put in to designing characters.
Kinokuniya's Fate fair was really interesting and anyone who lives near enough should go once at least. I heard they added books for the Shinjuku chapter recently, I should go again.
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I don't exactly appreciate the condescension on display here, for one thing. And you're looking at this too narrowly. Wouldn't you say that the idea of Gae Bolg fits with the fatalistic themes of Cu's legend (or at least, how Nasu chooses to interpret it), even if the larger world-building elements had been decided prior?
Not to some extent, the world-building and mechanics in the Nasuverse and the themes are basically the exact same thing.
Your statement was that the reversal of cause and effect effect from Gae Bolg was thematically driven.
But that is wrong or rather not completely right, it was driven by world-building which happens to have this theme embedded inside of it as well. Or it was driven by these theme which has this world-building also embedded inside of it.
Don't limit yourself.
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Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I think you should read the source material before you try writing meta and making fake-deep posts about stuff you haven't read.
Adding onto this, I believe GO Servants are actually on the large part very well written.
It's mostly the designs that people cringe at.
And Benkei.
No one likes Benkei.
Even after what he does in Babylon.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
And Eric.
Even though I like him the only cool part is his axe. His design just screams basic barb.
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Avalon and UBW obviously were tied very directly to the themes expressed in FSN. But conceptual weapons and reality marbles already existed.
Part of the reason we get people so fascinated with the technical aspects is the fact that Nasu is actually extremely consistent with his world. You don't really see him make shit up on the spot, as much as is joked about it.
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I'm apolgize if you felt that was condescending.
At the same time, no one said that you were wrong about the theme. Seriously, read all the posts up to this one. I feel as though you took it upon yourself to read something atleast my posts that you thought said "he's saying Cu's theme doesn't fit with this spear effect."
But you were wrong about the mahoyo thing. I'll tell you that now.
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I think of them as one and the same so he's interesting okay.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Sorry. I guess as you're one for the forum's "elites", I instinctively read more condescension into your reply then was fairly warranted... And I admit to screwing up the dates regarding Mahoyo.
True, though he's still a procrastinating game otaku who's found of trolling, but thats just another reason why we love him.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
It would have been cool if Eric being a viking gave him a passive Berserk skill, and he could act normal outside of battle like Beowulf.
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Dun't Solomon's Temple reveal he can? And he just doesn't because his wife gets insanely jealous easily?
I just wish we had more Norse heroes.
You know, at first I thought the original VN was like one of those "Fighting Fantasy" game books (anyone here played one of those?) and that any one of my choices might affect some hidden stat that would be relevant at some point in the adventure (like, I don't know, "combat training", "link with Servant", things like that). I was actually quite disappointed once I figured out the whole thing was a lot simpler, mechanically, and that I basically just had to worry about building affection points with the main female characters of each route.
Yes, "F/SN" was the first VN I ever read, why do you ask?
And now you can play a digital version of Sorcery on your phone, what a world we live in.
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