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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    If you had to give concrete reasons for the DAA not allowing for the summoning of servants, what do you think those would be?

    Corrupted leylines due to vampiric expansion?

    Conflicting large scale foundations of "rejecting history" vs "affirming history"?

    A loss of faith in mythological heroes due to the oppressive nature of vampires (potentially accompanied by christianity overshadowing other religions)?

    Just vampires and the dead multiplying in general and shifting the focus from humanity as the main ruling species on the planet?
    If I had to choose, it would be the first one, but like with the "no Asian True Servants" rule, that might get retconned at the earliest convenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    If you had to give concrete reasons for the DAA not allowing for the summoning of servants, what do you think those would be?

    Corrupted leylines due to vampiric expansion?

    Conflicting large scale foundations of "rejecting history" vs "affirming history"?

    A loss of faith in mythological heroes due to the oppressive nature of vampires (potentially accompanied by christianity overshadowing other religions)?

    Just vampires and the dead multiplying in general and shifting the focus from humanity as the main ruling species on the planet?
    You have it upside down, DAA being around doesn't make it impossible to summon Servants, both of those things are caused separately by the human order being weak.
    Weak human order = DAA propagation
    Weak human order = no Servants

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    Define "human order". In theory, the DAA is just a Dead Apostle organization, right? And Dead Apostles (vampires) spread their influence by biting and blood-sharing. What does that have to do with "the human order"? Again, is this one of those "Asians don't want the western Holy Grail, so no Asian True Servants can be summoned" kind of thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalLoliLover View Post
    Define "human order".
    I dunno go play Grand Order

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalLoliLover View Post
    Define "human order". In theory, the DAA is just a Dead Apostle organization, right? And Dead Apostles (vampires) spread their influence by biting and blood-sharing. What does that have to do with "the human order"? Again, is this one of those "Asians don't want the western Holy Grail, so no Asian True Servants can be summoned" kind of thing?
    Human history secretly controlled by a cabal of undead monsters who use them as food --> humans are not the winners here.

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    well how do you explain Sion summons Nemo.

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    She used a fish hook. She should be careful though cause I hear his dad is out looking for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    well how do you explain Sion summons Nemo.
    Isnt she cured of vampirism in FGO?

    I think it is weirder that Jester can even be a master to begin with

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    I like the fourth option you proposed. Though you mentioned multiplying and I don't think that's it. As far as we know, we're supposed to assume every DAA exists in Fate/ timelines until stated otherwise. The big difference would be that in the Tsukihime timelines the Dead Apostles are a somewhat organized society and that was all they needed to topple humanity as the dominant species on Earth.
    A- you dont have to use the ideas i brought up. If you have other ones in mind, feel free to share

    B - i meant DAA as an organized group, not as the individuals themselves

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    More like she never did become a Dead Apostle. Still has some blood-sucking traits because of her father-con stuff.
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    I want to know, in TM exists normal vampires, I remember the dude in the laberinth was a vampire but not a DA so are the DA Super Vampires and the DAA Ultra Vampires?

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    The dude in the labyrinth was a Lamyros, classified as a bloodsucking species. For all intents and purposes "normal" vampires = Dead Apostles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballinamon View Post
    I want to know, in TM exists normal vampires, I remember the dude in the laberinth was a vampire but not a DA so are the DA Super Vampires and the DAA Ultra Vampires?
    Mcjon's Encyclopedia of Type Moon

    There are entries for Dead Apostle and Vampire that you can reference. tl;dr, Vampire tends to refer to the bloodsuckers that Dead Apostles create, though the terms can be synonymous with each other.
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    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballinamon View Post
    I want to know, in TM exists normal vampires, I remember the dude in the laberinth was a vampire but not a DA so are the DA Super Vampires and the DAA Ultra Vampires?
    The DAA are an organization of DA, rather than a vampire "rank". DA is the level of vampire strong enough to make minions of their own. Ghouls are bestial (as opposed to the completely mindless Dead), while Living Dead can barely keep their own sanity in check. Of course, this is standard vampirism. Then there's the crazy stuff that Kiritsugu's father was working on that allowed a vampire who could not even control herself to infect others.

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    Well Kiritsugu's stuff was just a WIP magecraft means to become a DA, versus a completed version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menwearpink View Post
    Well Kiritsugu's stuff was just a WIP magecraft means to become a DA, versus a completed version.
    I think it's more of the Emiya Magus using the DA essence as a tool to withstand endless acceleration to reach the Root, just like Marisbilly's backup of an Elemental in case human leyshifting is not possible.

    And here I thought DA appeared because at that time, there is still the existence of TYPEs. And one TYPE messed up pretty bad the moment that the being picked Earth as a target for its shenanigans.
    Not dealing with it...

    Why even try?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hayate View Post
    I think it's more of the Emiya Magus using the DA essence as a tool to withstand endless acceleration to reach the Root, just like Marisbilly's backup of an Elemental in case human leyshifting is not possible.
    Well, no. He just wanted to become a vampire because he needed time to complete his research.

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    Technically he was trying to engineer out the vampirism and just wanted to be immortal but good job norikata

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Technically he was trying to engineer out the vampirism and just wanted to be immortal but good job norikata
    I mean it's not his fault that his dumbass apprentice decided to help herself to his unfinished formula when his back was turned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menwearpink View Post
    "I want to prove that your dad is doing something cool so I used the thing that he thinks isn't ready yet!"

    Shirley was a few things, but smart wasn't one of them.
    She was booksmart but there were no streets on that island so she couldn't get street smart
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    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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