Which are not heroes in the traditional sense, eh. Therein aims the speculation as to a shift in the texture of worship and the reasons behind myth-formation.
Which are not heroes in the traditional sense, eh. Therein aims the speculation as to a shift in the texture of worship and the reasons behind myth-formation.
Last edited by Leftovers; June 5th, 2020 at 05:48 PM.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you did not mean to say Nightingale is just a " someone/thing with a Wikipedia article". I still don't see the benefit of limiting what you can do with the concept, especially if it costs a load of interesting characters and concepts. Like Voyager.
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Isn't that a problem with the writing and not the concept? You are basically saying "I am okay historical servants, I just don't like these particular ones".
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I will give you the benefit of three choices:
1) Because it is not feeding the wikipedia page into a Servant generator and seeing the sword turn into a beam that is "interesting" and "cool", but seeing the "person" through the prism of what the setting's logic defines as a Heroic Spirit, interpreted in the setting's language - the formal constraints - of what a Servant is, and inserted into narratives where this synthesis can take on a life of its own in a new context both in relation to its source and as its own character.
2) Because in a creative endeavour within an established setting innovation is majorly defined by one's interplay with the formal limits, but a breakdown in the formal limits depreciates the innovation in something created within or juxtaposed to no rules but those of its own making.
3) Because if anything can be something, nothing means anything.
Sorry, arguments got crossed at some point. But, to Zork Night, it also sounds like your problem is with the execution and not the concept of Historical servants and if they, let's say, wrote the characters in a way that would be more of your liking, everything would be okay.
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For the record (gottem) Voyager is a Cool and Good concept that can be reasonably interpreted as abearer oftestament tofollowing the logic of the setting.humanity's soulcivilisation and the human species
He also kinda invalidates Zeus' and Goddess Rhongominyad's plans. We already did it ourselves, go do something actually productive you old farts.
here is a list of my servant sheets(new and improved format for my servant sheets)
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here is a list of my servant sheets(new and improved format for my servant sheets)
Come explore the White Library, and reach the bottom of this Abyss
Fate / White Memoria
Because a remarkable individual pursuing a selfless goal for the betterment of mankind is heroic in the contemporary sense, but not heroic in the sense that is firmly embedded in human consciousness and the one that the setting initially laid down. The quintessential hero is a figure that performs predominantly martial deeds and is considered, by virtue of being the protagonist of his own narrative, a unique existence whose deeds no one else could accomplish. By the same logic that mercifully keeps Simo from being a Servant, being a supernurse doesn't quite qualify.
The definition beyond that is open - or even more open if you think I'm making all of this up - to interpretation, as is consequently what one considers a "proper" Heroic Spirit. I think that, in addition to the former, a "paragon of mankind" and "tradition that safeguards the later generations" can only be a hero of major cultural significance or one whose myth contextualises and embodies fundamental human values in the hero's figure, and so I don't consider the Olympic boxing champion of 482BC or some 15th century condottiere Servant material. Generally it's easy to tell who isn't when you can't come up with two good NPs that aren't army summons for them. Better to come up with a weird interpretation of the Heroic Spirit rules than make something boring just to turn Some Guy into a Servant.
Last edited by Leftovers; June 5th, 2020 at 06:48 PM.
Nasu definition of hero was already turning into a modern example in FSN, just look at herc.
herakles is indeed the last thing that comes to mind when one thinks of a hero with cultural significance, yes