The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[SpoonyViking]

Doesn't his Master prevent him from using the real one?

You know that was just to hype things up for when the real deal inevitably showed up.

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The problem is that at the end of the fight, when Gil finally decides to get serious, he goes straight for Ea. Correct me if this has changed and I just missed it, but I think Ea is still supposed to be the pinnacle of Gil's arsenal. Given how reticent he is about using Ea—in the previous scene, he explicitly says "I won't use it on you because that would sully it"—you'd think he wouldn't resort to it unless he absolutely has to. Hell, when he takes it out, he literally says "I did not think I wouldhave to use my sword against you".

In the novel, he had already used Ea on Shirou. He does say something to the effect of "Man, I shouldn't have used this on you, you're a scrub".

[Holiday]

But if that's a problem for you, I don't see why it wasn't always the case. Even in FSN there are items he could've used instead of EA. His armor and the mirror shield, for example.

I dunno. I never really got the whole "once he decided to go all-out, he should've put on his armor" thing. Yes, he clearly should've had his armor on from the beginning if he was actually taking the fight seriously; but at the point where he's been cornered by Shirou and thinks "oh shit, I need to get serious now", putting on his armor doesn't make sense unless he thinks he's in immediate danger of getting hit by the literal next attack, and doesn't have time for anything else (which he clearly wasn't expecting, given how surprised he was that Shirou managed to cut his arm off before he could use Ea). Otherwise, putting on his armor is just a waste of time and magical energy; it doesn't actually do anything to proactively deal with the threat in front of him.

By "mirror shield", do you mean the NP he used against Illya in Fate? Or is there some other NP I'm forgetting?

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In the novel, he had already used Ea on Shirou. He does say something to the effect of "Man, I shouldn't have used this on you, you're a scrub".

That's fair. I guess this is also the fault of later works retroactively making "Gil uses Ea" more of a big deal. I remember the Ufo anime changed that scene to him fending off the Grail instead, because Gil taking out Ea just to flex on Shirou no longer made as much sense in-character as it did back in 2004.

[pinetree]

Yeah, I'm talking about the one he used against Illya.

[Holiday]

I always kinda assumed that one only reflected magic, not swords. Did we ever actually find out what NP it was supposed to be? Or is it just another nameless treasure like Gil's armor?

[fire_mountain_30]

so when is Mash going to turn heel?

[Deathhappens]

fine, but I point stands, some of the servants being A rank in a parameter sometimes just degrades the legend of other heroes, especially when the other heroes' legend has much more powerful feats. Sure Lu Bu is the most powerful man in China for a time and Beowulf killed a dragon and monsters with his bare hands but how does that compare to Hercules when he held the heaven in place of Atlas? What about Caligula? What inhuman feats does he have to have A+ rank in STR? What about Spartacus?

Ishtar is also a goddess of war, lest you forget.

Don't forget D'Eon and Abby.

[pinetree]

I always kinda assumed that one only reflected magic, not swords. Did we ever actually find out what NP it was supposed to be? Or is it just another nameless treasure like Gil's armor?

I don't think they've ever named it.

[Reign]

Abby has spooky cthulhu powers backing her up.

idk d'Eon. Vive la France.

[Deathhappens]

I always figured that was meant to be the stength of her tentacles, but it's not actually stated anywhere.

Also while we're at it, Li Shuwen, Brave Liz (B rank), Charles Babbage (B++), Mecha Liz (A rank).

[fumei]

That implies that there's nothing in the gap between "regular swords which Shirou can copy" and "literally Ea" which Gil can take out in order to win. The only way that scene works given how reluctant Gil is to use Ea is if there's nothing lesser he can ramp up to when he "gets serious" which will take care of Shirou. And, given the state of the Gate of Babylon today, that's just patently false. There's all kinds of nonsense in there which he could've taken out once he decided "I'm gonna stop holding back" which would've beaten Shirou without having to resort to Ea.

No, it really doesn't. He's literally been pushed back to where he's gonna die, and he's overcome with rage at shirou's arrogance and is just in disbelief about how he could possibly lose here. The fact that he decides to pull out Ea which pretty much always grants him the win, even though it will "sully" it by using against Shirou absolutely still makes sense. Even more so than him pulling out like some weird conceptual bullshit NP that would just amount to him having to face off against Shirou for even longer, rather than just definitely ending the battle then and there. In fact, even though they've expanded GoB's arsenal, we've also pretty much explicitly been told that Gil doesn't even know all the stuff he has in there, so when he's on the brink of death and is so enraged he can barely think straight, do you really think it would make more sense for him to think about what bullshit item he could pull out so that he doesn't have to use Ea on Shirou, rather than just instinctively go for the one item he knows will save him and trusts entirely?

This is such a stretch, man.

[pinetree]

Brave Liz (B rank)

Dragon + Saber container.

Charles Babbage (B++), Mecha Liz (A rank)

Robots.

Li Shuwen

Yeah, I can't justify d'Éon or this one lmao

[Zurvan]

Li Shuwen trained so hard the power of his ki infused punches are (supposed to be) 1 hit ko's

[Rafflesiac]

B as in BAJI QUAN

[Menwearpink]

Remember when Excalibur was not something that you can spam with a tree branch every 2 seconds until shit dies with no cooldown?

It’s probably like little boudica blasts maybe. Either that or isn’t Fake Ayaka suppose to have some sort of cheat supply going on.

Really a beam is very dial an amount so it could just be golden slashes for all we know. Although really hyping up Richard’s excalipoor as an Excalibur is funny because you need to give him a holy sword/super np sword to make his beams on the level of!.,,

a standard holy sword.

sure holy sword tier is pretty damn impressive but lol. Just a normal sword beam with a bunch of hoops to jump through.

[SpoonyViking]

Li Shuwen trained so hard the power of his ki infused punches are (supposed to be) 1 hit ko's

Yeah, Parameters in general don't necessarily reflect only raw physical power, they also reflect things like skill and training.

[Mattias]

Bit late but

Chicago Blackhawks the hockey team?

Named after a local Infantry Division the founder was a member of in WW1, which is in turn named after a famous Sauk Leader.

[Glazy]

Rare to hear that, sorta.

honestly almost every single kit of Strange Fake is a disappointment and/or lazy hamfisted ways of attempted wank compared to what’s been theorized or expected.

Some of it is fan fiction.net tier honestly.

Oh really? Mean from what I seen the only servant kits that people have problem with are usually Alcides, Zealot and Perlati. Everyone else seems really receive well.

[pinetree]

Richard's buddies are dumb but I like Fakecalibur.

[Byegod]

I like both, and really complaining about "fanfic" at this point with a lot of FGO servant profiles is funny to me, all of current fate stuff if fanfiction tier by that standard.

[Rafflesiac]

You don't have to like the status quo.