The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[fumei]

No, it's not "modern views and values" in general, but rather Sony (at least the part that is responsible for the PlayStation) trying to spearhead such a campaign. Given what you see in F/GO, TM clearly does not put those views on a pedestal. Well, yes, I was referring to Switch. Of course, depending on the content, they could just do what Omega Labyrinth Life did and literally release a watered-down version on PS, while releasing the full version of Switch and PC. Xbox is odd because I remember that there was 1 time when Oneechanbara decided to be exclusive to Xbox of all consoles, so huh.

Well, guess you're not following twitter a lot nowadays then. Furthermore, what TM (albeit weird to refer to as a singly entity in relation to FGO) thinks and what Niinou, head of Studio BB thinks, doesn't really matter in this case. If Niinou doesn't want to release a lewd game like CCC then that's on him, not on Nasu or TM or whoever.

And this is of course all still just ignoring the fact that the sony censorship comment was an assumption made by the author of the article and not said by Niinou himself, so it's a pretty weird thing to get upset about, to be honest.

[LegalLoliLover]

Well, guess you're not following twitter a lot nowadays then. Furthermore, what TM (albeit weird to refer to as a singly entity in relation to FGO) thinks and what Niinou, head of Studio BB thinks, doesn't really matter in this case. If Niinou doesn't want to release a lewd game like CCC then that's on him, not on Nasu or TM or whoever.

And this is of course all still just ignoring the fact that the sony censorship comment was an assumption made by the author of the article and not said by Niinou himself, so it's a pretty weird thing to get upset about, to be honest.

Ah, you must be referring to the left's version of the Satanic Panic imbeciles of olde (though, unfortunately, those Satanic Panic imbeciles haven't even died out themselves). Thing is, they only have as much as you can give them. If anything, going out of your way to trigger them is a pretty good method to assure the patronage of their enemies (such as myself). I can't imagine Nasu wouldn't want to get his stuff out there even more, though.

Considering the multitudes of "outrages" and "scandals" relating to violent or overly sexual PC games in the West (basically "Pick a Rockstar title"), Sony isn't even a blip on the radar. Hell, did you forget Nintendo's own butchering of FE Fates (and to a lesser degree Awakening) in the localised versions?

And you realize that nowadays, unlike Sony, Nintendo is allowing third-party developers much more freedom? Also, those "outrages" and "scandals" are only when the localizers try to censor stuff. Keeping things uncensored allows a developer to appeal to their base and spit on those maggots wearing the skins of critics.

[fumei]

Ah, you must be referring to the left's version of the Satanic Panic imbeciles of olde (though, unfortunately, those Satanic Panic imbeciles haven't even died out themselves). Thing is, they only have as much as you can give them. If anything, going out of your way to trigger them is a pretty good method to assure the patronage of their enemies (such as myself).

what

[LegalLoliLover]

The Twitter prudes that you were referring to.

[All fictions]

Is it Twitter Rant Tuesday again?

Nasu writes very few servants at this point in time but yeah

But how else can he be blamed for every little thing I disagree with?

[SpoonyViking]

This isn't directly related to Type-Moon, but is incredibly appropriate for discussing Amakusa's plan in Apocrypha:

http://existentialcomics.com/comic/353

[Zork Knight]

[AmADo VII]

it's kinda hilarious even the founder of Type-moon is not allowed to do what he wants.

[Deathhappens]

Why? It's a collaborative project, no one man gets to call all the shots, and when you make a business out of your art you assume the responsibility that whatever you put out there sets food on the tables of everyone involved.

[Mattias]

Every time I read a fanfic where they repeat the Shirou is a bad mage, I can't help but remember Kung Pow. "We have purposefully trained him wrong. As a joke."

[Byegod]

I cant help but laugh at people insist that most magi are researchers and dont fight/dont know how to fight

When it feels like most magi we have seens that arent nameless fodder are at least semi-decent at fighting, hell the ones who arent are... alba maybe? even atram shows he is good at fighting in case files.

[Holiday]

Maybe the "nameless fodder" are examples of the average magi who are good at research and bad at fighting, and the story doesn't focus on them because this is mainly a franchise about people fighting

[Byegod]

Not really, theres actually not many nameless fodder either in most of TM, I was referring to the ones that got ganked by vlad as the nameless fodder as thats the only example i could actually recall.

Even the more scholar magi are still fighters like touko.

[AAM1232]

Waver is barely a fighter for a MC lol.

[Deathhappens]

Not really, theres actually not many nameless fodder either in most of TM, I was referring to the ones that got ganked by vlad as the nameless fodder as thats the only example i could actually recall.

Even the more scholar magi are still fighters like touko.

Bad example considering Touko has been on the run for half her life- she would HAVE to be a fighter or she'd be dead. Also note that being able to fight and actually being good in a fight are different things. Like sure Archibald had an awesome mystic code and Tokiomi could summon lots of fire, but the former got punked by completely mundane means and the latter never even saw the backstab coming (which ok, you can attribute to Kirei being badass regardless, but still). To take a broader sample, all the magi we encounter in the CF novels have some ability to protect themselves (understandable given the cutthroat nature of magi politics) but most of them end up getting cut down with no resistance from the villain of the week, because while they have the power to fight they don't have the experience to use it.

Keep in mind also that the majority of named mages we meet are HGW candidates, and thus mildly lunatics to the eyes of the "average" magus.

[Byegod]

Bad example considering Touko has been on the run for half her life- she would HAVE to be a fighter or she'd be dead. Also note that being able to fight and actually being good in a fight are different things. Like sure Archibald had an awesome mystic code and Tokiomi could summon lots of fire, but the former got punked by completely mundane means and the latter never even saw the backstab coming (which ok, you can attribute to Kirei being badass regardless, but still). To take a broader sample, all the magi we encounter in the CF novels have some ability to protect themselves (understandable given the cutthroat nature of magi politics) but most of them end up getting cut down with no resistance from the villain of the week, because while they have the power to fight they don't have the experience to use it.

Keep in mind also that the majority of named mages we meet are HGW candidates, and thus mildly lunatics to the eyes of the "average" magus.

Point taken but I feel like after a certain point if all we see are magi who are at least willing to do combat something is off.

[Holiday]

Bad example considering Touko has been on the run for half her life- she would HAVE to be a fighter or she'd be dead. Also note that being able to fight and actually being good in a fight are different things. Like sure Archibald had an awesome mystic code and Tokiomi could summon lots of fire, but the former got punked by completely mundane means and the latter never even saw the backstab coming (which ok, you can attribute to Kirei being badass regardless, but still).

Tokiomi's death wasn't at all a case of "I have no idea how to fight"; it was a case of "I'm a terrible judge of character". His guard was down because he trusted Kirei not to backstab him and he trusted Gil to watch his back. If either of those trusts had actually been well-placed, he wouldn't have died.

Kayneth, on the other hand, absolutely is an "I'm really overpowered but have no clue how to fight" magus. You look at the mats and see all the abilities this guy has and you're like "wow he's crazy strong" but he doesn't really have any strategy other than brute force, and he loses because he blunders into a series of obvious traps set by a more experienced fighter. I think Cornelius Alba is another example of this character type; repeat magic seems terrifying on paper, but he dies like a punk because he doesn't really have a clue what to do on a battlefield compared to Touko or Araya.

Just goes to show that being overpowered doesn't protect you from being a dipshit.

Point taken but I feel like after a certain point if all we see are magi who are at least willing to do combat something is off.

See my previous point about "this is mainly a franchise about people fighting". Just because the most interesting characters (and therefore the ones who most of the stories focus on) are rogues and weirdos who live on the edge and get into dangerous fights all the time, does not mean the setting is populated entirely by rogues and weirdos who live on the edge and get into dangerous fights all the time. Most of the people in the Star Wars universe aren't Jedi or smugglers or bounty hunters, but the story isn't about them because they're not interesting.

[Zork Knight]

So we should get Tolstoy to write a spinoff then

[Menwearpink]

I would say it’s more that Araya and Touko just don’t play by anyone else’s rules.

as far as Kayneth goes I don’t think a super counter that almost feels like Urobuchi made it up specifically to counter Kayneth so kerry doesn’t die to him that’s a pretty decent magic weapon is punked by normal means. He’s absolutely just a unseasoned combatant with a lot of shortcomings due to that however yeah.

[You]

but the former got punked by completely mundane means and the latter never even saw the backstab coming (which ok, you can attribute to Kirei being badass regardless, but still).

Outside the scope of disccusion, but. Yes, Kirei uber-heretic hunter, but I'd attribute it more to

Tokiomi staggered forward. Turning his head, he saw only Kirei, smiling brightly, his hands stained with fresh blood—but there was never the slightest indication of understanding in Tokiomi’s eyes even till the end. With only a dazed expression, devoid of anger, he collapsed onto the carpet.

To his final moment, this magus must have stubbornly believed his own understanding to be accurate and refused to accept the real truth. Unerringly believing in the path he had chosen, moving forward without the slightest hesitation every time — what a man, to not wake to the truth even after having fallen into an endless abyss.

A sparkling aura suddenly surged beside Tokiomi’s rapidly cooling corpse. Shining with radiant light, the golden Servant materialized in front of Kirei.

And then, returning to her usual cool expression Touko-san continued talking.
"Kokuto. Those people called mages, with an apprentice or other people they are close to they feel like parents. Since they are something like their offspring, they often fight desperately to protect them as well. ... Well, it's like that so relax and wait here. I'll bring Shiki back tonight."

Tokiomi's dedication to being a magus meant he could never see it coming because suspecting your apprentice like that goes against everything a magus believes in.
You could also say Tokiomi never tried to see the man, Kirei, and only saw Kirei as his "apprentice," which also why incidentally he gives Kirei the Azoth even if he totally didn't have to.