Well, he is "mortal" in the sense that he ages. That's why he needed the herb of (not quite) immortality to age himself back 10 years to wait out those 10 years.
Well, he is "mortal" in the sense that he ages. That's why he needed the herb of (not quite) immortality to age himself back 10 years to wait out those 10 years.
Honestly him having the potion of immortality to me really... irks me
Iunno i just feel like if servants are shaped by myth that is the one NP he should not have, or anything in that area.
Except Servants are summoned at peak performance. If Gil loses his immortality potion, then Saber loses Excalibur by the same logic.
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I'm told that per CCC, Servants who have achieved true incarnation are "dyed in the era's colours" and belong to the world just as much as any living human.Originally Posted by Sione
I suppoes it depends, like to most people there impossible to separate but in a more narrative aspect gil's prime and greatest narrative achievment involves him losing the potion/herb of immortality in the first place
Yeah but that's the narrative for Gil in our world. In Fate, Gil's design as a Servant is much less rooted in his actual legend and much more on his historical importance as the first hero.
So Gate of Babylon, which embodies it by giving him everything, trumps the idea that he shouldn't have the potion because he lost it.
And the writer is from this world, thats a copout answer
especially when tiamat had to have a whole thing of 'this is her myth' and 'this is beast tiamats' backstory
Also funny how in FSN they treated GOB as a physical 'passed down', as in the designs or weapons were LITERALLY passed down instead of some mary sue retroactive bullshit that breaks any plot
Hell CCC wanked babylon a lot and lore previously made it seem like they would be uber strong, yet outside of gil and demigod/god stuff, it seems more like anthropological babylonia.
I don't think it's a copout answer. Fate's Gil is designed with obsessive focus on him being the first hero rather than his actual personal lore. Just look at interpretations like Smite's (if you've heard of it) where he's a muscular Arabic man that likes to wrestle. If you can accept Fate's design and don't consider THAT a copout then this really isn't a copout answer at all.
Last edited by Escavalien; November 21st, 2021 at 10:03 PM.
They literally mention in relation to the immortality herb that him not getting it was the thing that taught him his lesson and changing as a person, but since he learned his lesson, he went back to get it way after the fact. That doesn't change anything, because the important thing wasn't that he never had the herb, it was that he learned a life-changing lesson as a result of losing it once. It's the opposite of Artoria losing Avalon, because you can see how she never really learns her lesson about it even tho Merlin keeps hammering it in, and so even after she loses it she doesn't change her ways whatsoever and that's the death of her. She lost it and didn't learn her lesson, so her getting it back is off the table. Gil lost the herb, did learn his lesson, and then went back and got the herb as a mere memento/prize before he died.
It's not really a copout, you just have to look at it in a bigger picture kind of way.
What is the lesson Seiba is supposed to learn from Avalon? selfcare?
Never trust family.
Chasing unrealistic ideals.
She should have eaten Avalon herself.
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I can see why Seiba thought "the hopes and dreams of mankind" were more important... She might've even chosen "the laws of physics" if it werent a 2 choice question.
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I mean to me I personally see it as a bit of going against the ideal regardless, to me it feels like it sabotages the idea of "lol he went back and got it"
And if they make such a big deal out of it, I still feel like it should be innocent monster'd/narratived away, thats why I dislike it
Outside of the many other reasons i hate gil and his bad writing
Also PS, I'm getting tired of being told "im wrong" because "its how it happened in-universe" even though many people have complained about interpretations of servants before, you can justify anything in-universe, doesnt mean i have to think its good writing
I mean its not like IRL new parts of myths have been added to fate, no totally not.....
Last edited by Byegod; November 22nd, 2021 at 12:18 PM.
I didn't say you're wrong, I gave my interpretation on why this decision makes sense when you consider how Gil has been designed and portrayed in Fate.
You're the one who missed the point and called it a copout before ranting about something else entirely.
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