The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[Petrikow]

Also we can probably lay to rest this whole idea that Oberon is what made Nasu retool LB6. It seems he decided to steer from his initial course set in 2017 much earlier, more out of a feeling of wanting to write something that felt different in tone to a Singularity. When Oberon was inserted in the story it once again grew a bit in scope, but not as much as I think people have previously made it out.

[Reign]

Oh that makes sense. When Olympus just recently came out in NA and Kirsch talked about how "a Lostbelt in Britain can only be a curse that could destroy the planet" my first thought was "Wait had the rewrite already happened by this point?"

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Though some stuff in Castoria's lines and profile still seem inconsistent so I guess it was after he wrote her stuff.

[Petrikow]

Though some stuff in Castoria's lines and profile still seem inconsistent so I guess it was after he wrote her stuff.

I remember someone else said this and I looked through her profile and couldn't find what it was. Is there anything in particular you're thinking of?

[Reign]

Her stage 3 line toward Merlin is the one that stands out to me the most.

Merlin? My magecraft teacher, the one who pushed Cath Palug to me against my will and say "Sorry, I leave it to you" upon leaving, that Merlin?

Fou isn't present at all in LB6, let alone a Lostbelt Fou.

[Petrikow]

Interesting, the requirements for that line is the Prologue for Part 2...

It might just be that its something remaining from the initial plot of LB6, but perhaps its also something that hasn't happened yet?

[Comun]

Her line for Koyanskaya is also her feeling offended by the comparison between Koyan and her Cath Palug, and that came out after LB6.

[Catastor]

Her line for Koyanskaya is also her feeling offended by the comparison between Koyan and her Cath Palug, and that came out after LB6.

With Koyan's arc over, I don't really see where Castoria's Cath Palug would even come up, unless the light dot somehow involves it, maybe Nasu just had two voice lines for the plot point and didn't bother/forgot to remove it?

[Kirishima]

Very doubtful one line would remain all this time without being removed, and another added on top of that. They changed the Arthur line quicker for way less important reasons.

[Petrikow]

Here's some pretender lore.


———オベロンは新たなエクストラクラス『プリテンダー』として実装されましたが、プリテンダー該当するサ ーヴァントの条件とは何でしょうか？
奈須：端的に言うと『何かを偽ったまま英雄になった者』です。自分の正体を仮面で活躍した怪傑ゾロのような 英雄は、プリテンダーには該当しません。たとえば、志なかばで倒れたAの死を隠してかれの代わりに文を描き 、コメントを残し、最後までAとして振る舞うことですべての名声がＡに集まった。その一方で、中身であるＢ には一切スポットが当てられず、あくまでも英雄になったのはガワであるＡだけ。それが”役を羽織った英雄” であるプリテンダーというクラスなんです。

Oberon was added with the new class "Pretender" so what are the prerequisites for being one?

Nasu: Simply put, someone who became a hero while feigning being something else. A hero like Zorro who acts while under disguise of a mask does not qualify as a Pretender. For example, let's say a certain A has died with their ambitions unfilled, and in his place a certain B continues their writings, leaves their comments and fulfills the role of A into the end, ultimately leaving all the fame with A. Meanwhile, B who was the interior of this persona cannot find any spots to occupy and ultimately the only one who becomes a hero is A, the exterior. This is what the Pretender class, one who wears a role, entails.

[Rafflesiac]

Very doubtful one line would remain all this time without being removed, and another added on top of that. They changed the Arthur line quicker for way less important reasons.

Whoa there, securing insecure guyfucker bucks is extremely important.

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Here's some pretender lore.


———オベロンは新たなエクストラクラス『プリテンダー』として実装されましたが、プリテンダー該当するサ ーヴァントの条件とは何でしょうか？
奈須：端的に言うと『何かを偽ったまま英雄になった者』です。自分の正体を仮面で活躍した怪傑ゾロのような 英雄は、プリテンダーには該当しません。たとえば、志なかばで倒れたAの死を隠してかれの代わりに文を描き 、コメントを残し、最後までAとして振る舞うことですべての名声がＡに集まった。その一方で、中身であるＢ には一切スポットが当てられず、あくまでも英雄になったのはガワであるＡだけ。それが”役を羽織った英雄” であるプリテンダーというクラスなんです。

Oberon was added with the new class "Pretender" so what are the prerequisites for being one?

Nasu: Simply put, someone who became a hero while feigning being something else. A hero like Zorro who acts while under disguise of a mask does not qualify as a Pretender. For example, let's say a certain A has died with their ambitions unfilled, and in his place a certain B continues their writings, leaves their comments and fulfills the role of A into the end, ultimately leaving all the fame with A. Meanwhile, B who was the interior of this persona cannot find any spots to occupy and ultimately the only one who becomes a hero is A, the exterior. This is what the Pretender class, one who wears a role, entails.

Pretender Kaison-Benkei?

[Sesto]

Here's some pretender lore.


———オベロンは新たなエクストラクラス『プリテンダー』として実装されましたが、プリテンダー該当するサ ーヴァントの条件とは何でしょうか？
奈須：端的に言うと『何かを偽ったまま英雄になった者』です。自分の正体を仮面で活躍した怪傑ゾロのような 英雄は、プリテンダーには該当しません。たとえば、志なかばで倒れたAの死を隠してかれの代わりに文を描き 、コメントを残し、最後までAとして振る舞うことですべての名声がＡに集まった。その一方で、中身であるＢ には一切スポットが当てられず、あくまでも英雄になったのはガワであるＡだけ。それが”役を羽織った英雄” であるプリテンダーというクラスなんです。

Oberon was added with the new class "Pretender" so what are the prerequisites for being one?

Nasu: Simply put, someone who became a hero while feigning being something else. A hero like Zorro who acts while under disguise of a mask does not qualify as a Pretender. For example, let's say a certain A has died with their ambitions unfilled, and in his place a certain B continues their writings, leaves their comments and fulfills the role of A into the end, ultimately leaving all the fame with A. Meanwhile, B who was the interior of this persona cannot find any spots to occupy and ultimately the only one who becomes a hero is A, the exterior. This is what the Pretender class, one who wears a role, entails.

zero requiem...

[Skull]

Oh hey, guess that answers the question of if Zorro is a heroic spirit or not.

[Reign]

SSR Pretender Farmer-With-Katana let's go baby

[Laserman]

Here's some pretender lore.


———オベロンは新たなエクストラクラス『プリテンダー』として実装されましたが、プリテンダー該当するサ ーヴァントの条件とは何でしょうか？
奈須：端的に言うと『何かを偽ったまま英雄になった者』です。自分の正体を仮面で活躍した怪傑ゾロのような 英雄は、プリテンダーには該当しません。たとえば、志なかばで倒れたAの死を隠してかれの代わりに文を描き 、コメントを残し、最後までAとして振る舞うことですべての名声がＡに集まった。その一方で、中身であるＢ には一切スポットが当てられず、あくまでも英雄になったのはガワであるＡだけ。それが”役を羽織った英雄” であるプリテンダーというクラスなんです。

Oberon was added with the new class "Pretender" so what are the prerequisites for being one?

Nasu: Simply put, someone who became a hero while feigning being something else. A hero like Zorro who acts while under disguise of a mask does not qualify as a Pretender. For example, let's say a certain A has died with their ambitions unfilled, and in his place a certain B continues their writings, leaves their comments and fulfills the role of A into the end, ultimately leaving all the fame with A. Meanwhile, B who was the interior of this persona cannot find any spots to occupy and ultimately the only one who becomes a hero is A, the exterior. This is what the Pretender class, one who wears a role, entails.

How is that different from multiple people assuming the role of a legacy, like Robin Hood, though?

zero requiem...

That can't.

[Kirishima]

Bronze Pretender Benkei soon.

How is that different from multiple people assuming the role of a legacy, like Robin Hood, though?

He never said Robin Hood can't qualify.

[Petrikow]

So while talking about the music that plays during the Avalon segment of LB6, Nasu just drops this:

「星の内海」とは、ようは”惑星の見ている夢”なので。
Because in short, the inner Sea of the Planet is a dream that the planet is having.

Wow

[Kirishima]

What did he mean by this

[ItsaRandomUsername]

Nothing lasts forever...

[Rafflesiac]

Gaia awakes --> Avalon goes poof --> Saber wakes -->

BRITAIN

WORLD

SAVED

[OnesFleetingGlory]

Sounds like FFX.