The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[castor212]

form of shallow Postmodernism where 'anything goes'

thats not how postmodernism work

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Well, I did specify 'shallow' Postmodernism. As in, its most popularized form of "Nothing is true and everything is permitted", only without the assassins in cool cloaks.

Postmodernism is a varied breed, with so many different permutations that it's near impossible to note all of them or even lump them together into one easily definable category.

Actually u can.

In fact my postmodern architecture professor did just that yesterday.

[RoydGolden]

thats not how postmodernism work

Hence why I said 'the popular form of'.

Actually u can.

In fact my postmodern architecture professor did just that yesterday.

Well, I'd read it's really hard to define and didn't want to get mired in that whole deal.

Also, what the fuck does Architecture have to do with Postmodernism? I do not want the people designing my buildings to go by social consensus...

[asterism42]

hahaha as if you expect me to leave the actual quote in

Important life skill: Know when to shut up before the hole you've dug yourself gets any deeper.

[castor212]

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Also, what the fuck does Architecture have to do with Postmodernism? I do not want the people designing my buildings to go by social consensus...

A lot.

[SeiKeo]

Also, what the fuck does Architecture have to do with Postmodernism? I do not want the people designing my buildings to go by social consensus...

Important life skill: Know when to shut up before the hole you've dug yourself gets any deeper.

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[asterism42]

yes hello

[RoydGolden]

Important life skill: Know when to shut up before the hole you've dug yourself gets any deeper.

When he started rambling about porn sites? Yeah, I think that's the very definition of 'digging yourself in deeper'...

[asterism42]

As with many cultural movements, some of Postmodernism's most pronounced and visible ideas can be seen in architecture

It's a Thing. Take note.

[RoydGolden]

yes hello

For one thing, I was joking. Totally...

For another, 'Postmodernism' in architecture seems to bear little relation to Postmodernism as a philosophy regarding external reality and the like. You can perfectly well be a 'Postmodernist' regarding architecture without believing any of the related claims about the impossibility of objective truth or what have you...

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It's a Thing. Take note.

There's no architectural style that goes against the existence of the external world.

[castor212]

LOL ok im out

At thismpoint youd think Royd only see pholosphy postmodern as the only postmodrrnism.

[asterism42]

Referring to postmodern philosophy as 'postmodernism' is a bit like me calling my dissertation on malaria treatments 'biology'.

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And then objecting when someone refers to their studies in wheat breeding as the same thing.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

Postmodernism describes both an era and a broad movement that developed in the late-20th century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism which marked a departure from modernism.[1][2][3] While encompassing a broad range of ideas and projects, postmodernism is typically defined by an attitude of skepticism or distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of Enlightenment rationality, including the existence of objective reality and absolute truth, as well as notions of rationality, human nature, and progress

When Wikipedia is better informed than you, perhaps it's time to do a bit of homework.

[SeiKeo]

In essence we have aptly demonstrated that this conversation has no need to continue.

[RoydGolden]

Referring to postmodern philosophy as 'postmodernism' is a bit like me calling my dissertation on malaria treatments 'biology'.

For one thing, it is a branch of biology. Bacteriology, to be specific.

Secondly, I think it's fair to note that there's quite a lot of difference between a Postmodern architectural movement and Postmodernism regarding literally all of human knowledge.

They might both be rebelling against 'modernity', but in very different ways so I think conflating them together as one thing is very misleading. That's why 'Postmodernism' is not really a very good term for debates like this, since it gets you bogged down in irrelevancies like "Oh, you said that objective knowledge is possible but what do you think about ARCHITECTURE?!?"

Pretend I said 'relativism', which more-or-less has all the connotations I intended (perhaps erroneously) to convey with 'Postmodernism'.

[SeiKeo]

Hey I take it back don't PM me

[castor212]

My study and my professor says literally the reverse of what you just said. Example in that architectural movement is part of human knowledge, not something different.

Now i wonder who to believe

But then again i need me an A credit so the answer is obvious.

[RoydGolden]

Also, architecture is uncontroversially something invented by humans. So, saying architecture is whatever you make it to be and you don't need to pander to a strict theory of art is certainly true to a degree (though, you certainly need to heed reality when it comes to making sure the building doesn't collapse). But when you treat science and reason in general the same way (as something humans can mold into whatever they want), that's when you start to run into problems...

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Ignoring everything I said about Postmodernism as a movement (which I admit is likely to be horrifically uninformed), what would you think if I'd simply said 'relativism'?

Namely the idea that reality is a social construction and objective truth and rationality are simply a matter of (perhaps reflected upon) opinion. That's surely something one can argue about coherently without bringing in Architectural movements, wheat growing and the like. Right?

[mewarmo990]

N-not that kind of private messaging! *blushes comically*

Though, I wouldn't mind doing the other kind either if you look anything like your avatar... *gets smacked upside the head with a paper fan*

Why are you all pretending this is okay

[castor212]

Maybe because its more awkward to call him out on it?

[RoydGolden]

Why are you all pretending this is okay

Yeah, I'm aware there's rules regarding public lewdness and the like here but I don't think that crossed the line. It was pretty purely in the realm of goofy humor, IMO...

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If SeiKeo was actually offended by it then I apologize though. In general, this forum seems fairly loose regarding these sorts of things (as to be expected for one founded over an Eroge).

[Magikewl]

Sometimes the best reaction is no reaction. You just got to allow people to be trainwrecks and move on with your life.