get outOriginally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable
get out
I mean in extra as well, Robin Hood basically said he was satisfied with his life and all he really wanted to do was be a knight
It's not that trivial when you remember that in life he basically wanted the same thing, but was screwed out of just fighting for glory and pleasure because he was forced to kill both his son and his best friend (and possible lover), not to mention failing to put Scáthach to rest.
Basically, he just wanted a do-over, but Kotomine screwed him.
It absolutely should be removed, or at least reworked. Some sacred cows should just be turned into sacrilegious burgers.
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My guess is that Raff just forgot to add a comma before "dude".
I can't figure out if this is a joke I don't get or if you're serious
That second part does make sense.
Also, on the topic of wishes for the Grail, I thought Richard in FSF said the Grail summons whatever version of the Hero had a wish or makes them have a wish to remain consistent with the World.
I've never been a fan of D&D's alignment system.
I thought Richard's case was some weird stable time-loop thingy where he will gain a wish sometime after being summoned, which retroactively lets him be summoned in the first place? What that wish is will probably be (or is, I haven't been following SF for a while) a major twist when it's revealed.
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At the very least, he didn't want to kill his SON, even if he wasn't forced to kill his opponent. Also, it's kind of his fault Connla even died in the first place.
Regardless of the fact that both times Cú Chulainn whipped out Gáe Bulg in a deliberate attempt to kill his opponent when they were otherwise at a stalemate, I really don't see Fate!Cú being the type of person to dwell on the past that it would influence his Wish.
As simple as it is, I think Cú's wish to fight strong people really just being that and nothing more. Though you are welcome to disagree.
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Going by Hollow Ataraxia, the Nasuverse version of the meeting with Connla is a bit different, there's a geis involved. And I'm not saying his wish isn't "I want to fight strong people", I'm saying there's an implicit caveat there ("Without any fate or duty stuff getting in the way, I just want a good, clean fight to the death"). Hence the dramatic irony in him being forced to fight for Kotomine, who keeps him on a tight leash.
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Also, yeah, both in the Nasuverse and in the Táin he's forced to fight Connla and Ferdiad by the circumstances. He didn't just wake up and think to himself "You know, I'm going to kill my son and my best friend, preferably in that order".
That second part is kind of what I was trying to get at. Also, pretty sure there was a geis involved in the original Ulster Cycle as well, since Connla had to follow 3 rules or something.
Yeah, but according to Hollow Ataraxia, it seems Cú Chulainn was the one who told Aife to impose the geasa on Connla. He seemed to blame himself for how it turned out.
I thought he told her to regardless of the version, but who knows? I'm no expert.
Granted it may have went down different in the Nasuverse, but in regards to the Táin I still disagree that he was "forced" to fight either of them. He instigated the fight against Connla and escalated it until a fight to the death even after he saw Connla spare Conall in battle and Emer told Cú that she believed Connla was his son.
As for Ferdiad, I might have given you that one since it was war and all, but the fact that Cú threw the fight against Fergus and then later convinced Fergus to do the same in return later on, all in order to prevent a fight against someone he wasn't willing to fight leads me to believe that Cú was always prepared to fight Ferdiad in battle one day, especially since as I stated earlier he willingly brought out Gáe Bolg after the fight was stuck in a stalemate.
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Also yeah, more often than not Cú is the one who requested the Geas on Connla. The fact that it lead to Connla's death, call it karma for raping Aífe.
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Speaking of raping Aife, didn't Ataraxia downplay that as well?
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Maybe he was prepared to fight Ferdiad in battle, but likely not under the circumstances that set them in battle.
He didn't instigate the fight with Connla. Connla had just knocked down the king of Ulster, and Cú Chulainn had to fight him "for the honor of Ulster". Same thing with Ferdiad: he didn't want the fight, but couldn't refuse it either.
Which brings me back to my original point: he wants to fight freely, he just doesn't want things like honour and duty and similar to get in the way again.
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Also, my bad, you're both right: even in the original (at least in the version translated by Mary Jones), he's the one who told Aife to impose the geasa on their child.
Last edited by SpoonyViking; June 2nd, 2019 at 05:31 PM.
I mean
it was noted in fate classic the primary reason cu was mad at shinji was because he was annoyed shinji had nearly raped rin before he got a chance to do so himself
The actual line was "he will not tolerate having his spoils snatched by someone else", which I feel is considerably more vague.
Cu obviously had a thing for her, but more likely IMO would've tried for seduction than rape. Not to downplay it though; in context that line is still sleazy as hell.
Yes, in the sense that it didn't go into the specifics. I can't check the wording for you now, though, sorry; I don't have HA anymore, and I can't find the YouTube video with that scene I usually use as a reference.
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