I'm sorry but Florence Nightingale was definitely real. Whereas King Gilgamesh of Uruk, if indeed he existed, likely wasn't 2/3 divine and didn't kill a giant bull sent by an angry goddess to obliterate MesopotamiaOriginally Posted by LegalLoliLover
Then what percentage chance of real counts as real to you?
I'm pretty sure there's no "percentage chance" when it comes to wether a person really existed or not. It's either 100% (Florence Nightingale), 0% (Medusa), or unknown (Gilgamesh).
Nasu could've easily lived off of those 0%s and the unknown by choosing their mythical interpretantions instead of some attempted historical version, like what he did to Gilgamesh. But somewhere along the way someone told him he was allowed to give historical normies superpower and now we're here.
The first was Iskandar, right? Or does Sasaki counts?
EDIT: Hassan, arguably.
I'd argue Iskandar and Gilles were the first
Hassan wasn't really the Hassan. Though FGO noe graced us with his complete supernaturality...
Zero opened the doors, a tragic flaw in the best FSN spinoff.
should have just let urobuchi use a xian like he wanted to originally, it would have simplified everything afterwards immensely
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
Again, unknowns are based on percentage. Then we have Count Dracula and Demon King Nobunaga.
Charlemagne is the person who Fate has as someone who both existed and didn't
tho the fact that the 'real' charlie has a giant cathedral robot is just a fate thing i guess
Nothing after the printing press should have been permitted.
Okay, but how about real people whose lives have been turned into legends, like Drake and the Wild Hunt thing.
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Or saints who have historical evidence of their lives.
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Again, I brought up Vlad becoming Count Dracula or Nobu becoming the Demon King.
That is what I mean, Jeanne d'arc is a Historical character, does she not deserve to be a servant?
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I submit to you the notion that historical characters existing in eras when rigid documentation, complete records, and factual accounts of their entire lives either didn't exist, weren't actually that rigid or complete or factual, or weren't widely available (as might indeed happen when books are rare and literacy is low) became subjects of speculation, reinterpretation, mythologisation, and all other manner of making shit up as their mythological precursors.
Hence the point is not being able to "prove" that someone existed, as per the setting's logic the "real" and the "fictional" produce an amalgam born of humanity's collective imagining of a heroic figure, but of being unable to "believe" fiction and mythology about someone, either because the figure is too rooted in historicity and fact, or because the distinction between the "real" and the "fictional" has become starker, or because the cultural function of myth in modernity is not to produce heroic paradigms but hoaxes, conspiracies, and all else that falls under the label of "fake and ghey".
Last edited by Leftovers; June 5th, 2020 at 05:11 PM.
No
Next question
Or, hear me out here, we can stop creation arbitrary rules for what can or cannot be done and instead focus on creating cool and interesting characters.
Seriously, History is filled with so many awesome and/or interesting people (like Florence Nightingale, who's story is downright inspiring) that we would be losing much more than any supposed "integrity" that we would gain.
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And that is why your not calling the shots
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Whoever's calling the shots made Jeanne d'Arc the girlfriend of a baby dragon-dragonslayer-frankenstein-homunculus kid. Who looks like King Arthur, Okita Souji, Nero and Lakshmibai.
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I wouldn't be the weirdest or worst incarnation of her I've seen. Remember Ulysses: Jeanne d'Arc to Renkin no Kishi? That is a thing that exists.
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On the specific topic of typography, the invention can be conceived of as a historical/conceptual landmark where the commodification of print rendered myth untenable as a function of civilisation, perhaps in conjunction with or as a factor in the turning of Nasuland's notional "Ages" into that of modern man. Considering the implication of Gilgamesh's status as the first hero deriving from his myth being the earliest heroic narrative with a possible special significance in that it was recorded and thus endured for millennia in human recollection, it is fair to speculate that there is some significance in the function of writing - though there must be more factors at play, considering that myth by definition is infinitely mutable and adaptable and defies objectivity such as that afforded by "official" and "definitive" records, while also being firmly rooted in oral tradition. Even though people were scratching stories on clay and papyrus even in the Age of Gods, the proliferation of objective records could have signified a pivotal moment in myth formation similar to the original post-19th century clause for Heroic Spirit candidates - possibly facilitating a shift in the function of myth and the nature of belief itself, which could in earlier ages coexist with documentations of specific versions of mythological narratives.
Rules set by the author, of all people, were what gave the concept of a "Heroic Spirit" meaningful distinction from "person/thing with a wikipedia page", and rendered a "Servant" something more than "a template to codify literally anything into the setting". And that's why they later were done away with.
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Mythologization does still happen though. It's just that were was no major wars or periods of conflict comparable to those which contributed to the Matter of Britain or the Romance of Three Kingdoms, so it is usually politicians and entertainment figures who are subjected to it.
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