The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[Best Girl]

I think the Christian God is just another god born from human belief and it's ultimately still subordinate to Human Order. I don't think Nasu will choose to alienate other religions by claiming one god is superior to another. At least I don't believe it'll be clear enough to get anything conclusive, but you can still have your own opinion.

It's probably something like humans in Warhammer 40K.

There was/is an Emperor at some point, and he was/is magic.

But most of the magic nowadays is derived from the masses believing the Emperor is magic.

Substitute Emperor with the Holy Trinity.

[Leftovers]

no surprise, I guess?

None whatsoever.

[Comun]

We are preparing a celebratory project as a small gesture of gratitude to the fans and to mark the series’ 15th anniversary. Further news at Ryougi Shiki’s birthday. Look forward to the release.

I love how they don’t give the date in numbers.

[Stoker]

Isn't Shiki's birthday in February?

[Comun]

Yeah, February 17th.

[SeiKeo]

She will be 43.

[Best Girl]

Oh god the movie was 15 years ago.

[Nanaya]

She will be 43.

The key to a long life is settling down, marrying and putting all the cringey chuuni years behind you.

[Dullahan]

The key to a long life is settling down, marrying and putting all the cringey chuuni years behind you.

Nasu turns 50 next year.

[Petrikow]

It's not the same when you're married to Takeuchi.

[Tepanyakigo]

Nasu turns 50 next year.

Wait, is there even an official source about Nasu's real age?

[Dullahan]

Yeah. Me.

[AmADo VII]

so From Software just announced Armored Core 6.

this is related because TM staff especially the 'Founder' would definitely play the game, and we might get more robots in future TM works.

[Namelesss]

I wonder if Nasu has kids doubt it

[Random]

Yeah. Us.

[Delastogos]

Does that make us good or bad children.

[Nanaya]

Neglected children.

[ResidentSeagull]

Neglected children.

Children that are gonna spit inside the open casket once he's dead.

[Ratman]

It's time to write down your miscellaneous speculations before LB7 comes out and our minds are rocked. This one isn't really related to what we are about to be learning, but I never really wrote it down, so here goes:

Fact: True Magics are based on WoD Mage Spheres. They represent the stages of progress or 'Growth' of humanity. The theoretical tenth Sphere, 'Judgement', is the end of history, because it gives humans the power of self-determination; deciding what they really are and sticking to it instead of being a chaotic unpredictable perpetually adolescent mess.
Fact: The Sixth, possibly also known as Judgement, is consistently presented as something catastrophically, cataclysmically bad, leading to Notes-like scenarios. TM works were really written with six true magics in mind from the start, we just don't see the last one due to the implications of 'the final step' being complete.
Fact: There is a noted breaking point between the Third and the Fourth.

My largely speculative theory is this: The True Magics after the Third mirror the first three magics, and undo their works. Think of it as a pyramid, with the Third being humanity's greatest achievement, and it being downhill from there. With this idea in mind, the True Magics would be thus:

1st: Denial of Nothingness (creates mana)
2nd: Observation/Traveling Parallel Worlds (Self-explanatory. Ideologically speaking, this is the human tendency to keep a back door, and general ingenuity and moral relativism. When used in story in FSN, the 2nd is Rin accomplishing her family's work in a completely roundabout way, where she doesn't even realize it until later, since all she was trying to do was cheat.)
3rd: Materialization of Soul (also known as the hermetic principle in the real world - when you take it to its logical conclusion, 'gnostics' are trying to prove that everything is crude matter and no truly immortal soul exists. A philosopher's stone is just a rock. Metaphysics is just physics we don't understand... yet.)
4th: Reification of Matter (thus 'it hid itself', that's what it does. You can also think of it as the denial of the above - an insistence that the real soul is truly immortal and inviolable, and the universe is not truly knowable)
5th: Consumption/Denial of Parallel Worlds (this neatly answers Touko's ideas about time travel being covered under both it and the 2nd - they have opposed principles. The 2nd is progress by means of escapism, but the 5th is escapism by means of commitment. That's Aoko's character.)
6th: Confirmation of Nothingness (deletes mana)

Now, why is there no mana in the world after you botch the Aylesbury Ritual? Because while it was not utilized correctly, the Sixth already exists in the world of Extra, and humanity has already entered its final stage, remaining pretty much the same until Last Encore. Humanity's done. The Moon Cell just collects the pieces.
Additionally, considering some Warc stuff, it might be that Crimson Moon is specifically waiting for the Sixth, because when it appears, humanity will have no more surprise aces up its sleeve. He got blown up by the Second the last time, he's not letting them do it again.
DAAs trying to consolidate the Sixth in the Aylesbury Ritual is just them forcing the cards on the table, so that CM can start the cleanup.
(I mean, who even performs the Aylesbury Ritual in Extra? The moon is a computer and always has been. It's Fate-side so there are no serious business Apostles and no CM on whose behalf they'd do it, Arcueid being a freak fanservice occurence. More likely than not it was a bunch of mages, and it's a regular magecraft ritual, which magi normally wouldn't want to perform because the sane ones don't want the Sixth to appear, but DAAs don't have such qualms. Zepia figured that if he himself becomes the end of the world ("I would obtain the Sixth! That very miracle!"), it'd at last give him the answer and how to get it into the past is a problem for AD3000 Zepia. In case of Extra, some crazy mages tried it anyway, and it inadvertently devolved into a HGW-like scenario. The participants back-stabbed each other over who gets to be a Magician, leading to the winner dying shortly after getting it, and robbing humanity of its final fortune. Good job, mages! Just as expected of you guys, always coming in clutch.)
(Conversely, Tsuki no Sango would be a world where the Sixth is utilized correctly, perhaps to kill some major enemy of humanity, and history ends with a somewhat stable humanity moving onto the stars.)

Personally, it always seemed super weird to me how the Third is the only True Magic with backing in real-world occultism. I guess it'd make sense within the Nasuverse that humanity's greatest achievement is a method of making everything super boring.

[Dullahan]

Tsuki no Sango would be a world where [...] history ends with a somewhat stable humanity moving onto the stars.

Nope.