The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[You]

HE is.

[Rafflesiac]

Capshead

[Byegod]

With how fae are in folklore/myth, in that they can be pretty much many types of beings and having many different origins ranging from the dead to the divine to fallen angel.

Would it be wrong to say that the 'fairies' in KnK that have a container or whatever to look or have traits of one makes them a fae?

[Reign]

In Pan-Human history there are various types of fae. Those who have fallen from the rank of a god. An accumulation of human and animal grudges plus dregs of their souls. Thoughts with no other place to go, reborn as an empty human rumor. These are fae that are born from human society and strictly speaking, not genuine. Genuine fae come from within the planet, unrelated to human society. They develop from the inlet sea of the planet. These fae which come from within the inlet sea of the planet are known in the magecraft world as "Great Fathers" or "Great Mothers." You can think of them as bunrei of the planet's soul or something like that. They're about the same scope as an anthropized nature divinity, but unlike those gods, they are not clothed in human rules. Great Fathers and Mothers are pure transcendent existences.

Stuff like that is classified as fairies but they're not a true fairy unless they come from Avalon.

[Byegod]

So where does oberon fit in

[Comun]

Which Oberon?

[Kirishima]

Zepia

[HumanComplex]

Morgan’s child with my man Caesar.

[Hawkeye]

Stuff like that is classified as fairies but they're not a true fairy unless they come from Avalon.

It's only a real fae if it comes from the Avalon region of Britain. Otherwise, it's just a sparkling asshole.

[Skull]

It's only a real fae if it comes from the Avalon region of Britain. Otherwise, it's just a sparkling asshole.

Wait, does that mean fairies from like Ireland and stuff aren't the real deal either?

[Byegod]

its a clash of focus on arturian/OC stuff vs the other mythologies?

Its like the true dragon thing on albion, which either implies no other dragon is "true" or that its a freak above all the others

[fumei]

There's no clash. One type is made by the planet and one type is made by humans, so in much the same way that EVERYTHING in TM that comes from human interaction or the human texture has some fucky shit to "make it work", it's the same for those other fairies. It's just the way to reconcile all different types of fairy folklore together, but the planet ones that are "true" aren't even "human folklore fairies", so there isn't really a clash there.

Oberon, both as the Shakespeare version and as the "folklore" version that came before, and honestly even Oberon!Vortigern, at best classify as just another type of "human folklore fairy". None of them were born in the inner sea as a "bunrei of the planet". Two of them are just human thoughts taken form basically, and the last one is that but mixed with the manifestation of an angry island.

[Reign]

Wait, does that mean fairies from like Ireland and stuff aren't the real deal either?

Nah Avalon is inside the planet, it's just at the same coordinates on the reverse side as Britain is on the surface.

I think the only bunrei of the planets soul fairies we have hard confirmed are the six who made Excalibur, Morgan/Vivian, Lostbelt Morgan, and Castoria. And maybe Mab? Everyone else is either a different type of fairy or not stated.

[Comun]

Nah Avalon is inside the planet, it's just at the same coordinates on the reverse side as Britain is on the surface.

Fujimaru and Casthuria reached Avalon by falling a 2700km hole, so Avalon is theoretically located where the core of the Earth is IRL.

Its like the true dragon thing on albion, which either implies no other dragon is "true" or that its a freak above all the others

The way dragons works was already fully established before Melusine showed us what a pure-blooded looked like or was capable of. Pure-blooded dragons were present in the world long before the Age of Gods, but an unspecified time for unspecified reasons, they escaped to the Earth’s interior, except for Albion who died trying. In their escape, they randomly left behind dragon factors that can transform people and all the dragons appearing in history were people who became dragons for various reasons.

Since they predate the Age of Gods, Kouyou has her T-Rex form based on Kuzuryuu, and Anning’s content conflates dinos and dragons sometimes, the funny theory going around is that the pure-blooded dragons were the dinosaurs (complimentary to the funny theory that ORT was the meteor).

[Byegod]

Where was it established beforehand? is this in profiles or something?

[Comun]

Dragon exposition dates back to Arthuria in FsN ans Eliza in CCC, but this “current shape” comes mostly the Albion content in Case Files and Avalon le Fae, Vritra’s event, and I can’t remember where the whole Fafnir story was clarified.

[Reign]

LB2 and Oniland

[All fictions]

Siegfried's interlude? I know Gilgamesh's third interlude also had dragon lore.

[Reign]

Siegfried's interlude said dragons can reproduce asexually but I don't think it touched on the Evil Dragon Phenomenon where greed turns people into Fafnir. Though it's been years since I read it.

[Byegod]

I meant true dragons specifically