Well, since Rin is Scathach-lite, that scenario would end with Rin sharing Shirou with Sakura. Sisters Threesome every time for Shirou.
Well, since Rin is Scathach-lite, that scenario would end with Rin sharing Shirou with Sakura. Sisters Threesome every time for Shirou.
Erm, what? This is simply complete rubbish. Of all the routes, HF is the one in which his relationship with the heroine was the most important. HF simply would not have worked without Sakura's love for Shirou, and Shirou reciprocating that love.Originally Posted by mAc Chaos
And, no, Sakura wasn't the "last option". Stop trying to pretend that Shirou was somehow forced to "settle" for her because everyone else "got cleared away", when the route makes it quite clear that he loved her and was willing to do almost anything to protect her. Further, the only reason Shirou hadn't fallen for Sakura some time earlier is because Sakura was deliberately trying not to get into a relationship with him, because she knew it would endanger him.
If you took Zouken out of the way, then Sakura has a much stronger base for a relationship than either of the other two girls did. He actually knows her, and already cares deeply for her. Further, he was clearly beginning to notice her as a woman, even in Fate and UBW. It's just that Rin and Saber pushed her to one side in the first two routes, due to the Grail War and Sakura's unwillingness to get involved in it (for good reason).
There's no such thing as a strong base for a relationship with Shirou, wizard of obliviousness. The only thing all of the heroines of all the routes have in common is how long it takes for Shirou to realize that they're girls.
Yes, there is. Shirou already cares deeply for her. He may be totally unable to comprehend his physical attraction to her, but at least the emotional connection is already present.
I got a good chuckle out of this.
This is why Issei thinks he has a chance. Shirou just doesn't understand the difference.
No way I'm touching that hot-button issue! Kidding, but at least AM didn't have to suffer the bitter irony of being assassinated by the plot.
Agree about Saber (who Shirou has a permanent crush on). I mean, she even has her own ending!
Black Saber: Shirou. Is that all I am to you? ;_;
Shirou: I love you too! Now let me alegorically fornicate you with my sword!
Completely disagree about Rin. I mean, even in UBW, Shirou and Rin didn't ever feel like a real couple to me.
...Maybe because Rin is obviously more into Saber, too.
Well, if you watch her reactions to Shirou in HF she practically stammers and blushes and gets all jittery at half the things he says. And he already always liked her. And Shirou's pretty nervous around her too.
She also says it straight out in the ending (to herself) that she doesn't have a boyfriend because she already fell in love with "some idiot."
Saber's the same way when he's teasing her, which he does a lot more in HF. If Saber didn't die, then things might have taken a completely different turn. All that would have to change is not have Saber get caught off guard by the shadow.
He never sleeps. He never dies.
Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
I sense an incoming Keyne.
Anyway I always felt like Shirou got dangerously close to macking on Rin in Heaven's Feel with all the talk about him being her Servant and what not. Oh and using her pendant in order to keep a hold of his mind. Shirou being devoted to Sakura doesn't somehow magically and instantly shut off his feelings for the other girls.
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
There's no doubt that Rin in HF has feelings for Shirou, but the converse ceases to be true relatively early on. His feelings for Sakura totally over-ride any he has for Rin once he starts interacting with her more, and since the whole point of HF is Sakura's interaction with Shirou, a relationship between them is virtually certain to develop.
What makes you think that Saber being around would magically make Shirou's feelings for Sakura disappear? Those feelings did not occur because there was no-one else, they came about because Shirou loves Sakura. Saber surviving would not change that one bit.Saber's the same way when he's teasing her, which he does a lot more in HF. If Saber didn't die, then things might have taken a completely different turn. All that would have to change is not have Saber get caught off guard by the shadow.
No, Shirou's feelings for Sakura don't magically make his feelings for other girls vanish, any more than Shirou's relationship with Saber in Fate makes his feelings for Sakura vanish. But, equally, having Saber around isn't going to make his feelings for Sakura vanish either. Sure, he might care for Saber, but with Sakura there I see no reason for that to develop into love like it did in Fate.
Well TA's problem is he didn't know when to jump ship while getting was good. It's funny in hindsight, but Hassan was always telling Zouken that maybe he ought to be smarter with how he deals with Sakura. Poor guy never had a chance.No way I'm touching that hot-button issue! Kidding, but at least AM didn't have to suffer the bitter irony of being assassinated by the plot.
"Fate/stay night: not really an eroge, and not really a cooking sim, but actually an RPG wherein everyone’s primary stat is “self-loathing” and the goal is to level it up beyond all the other characters."
So it got necro'd, huh?
I love this route. I really, really, really love this route. Even if there are some things that could've been handled better (there were some parts that were just...ugh. A pain to read through really, also I found the Sakura wormrape reveal to be a bit too...sudden), but all in all what makes this route so great is that it improves every other route in hindsight.
Sure, Fate also gets a little bit more awesome once you went through UBW and found out about Archer's identity or Caster's Master for example, but HF really expands on pretty much every character in the game, especially Illya, Sakura, Rin and Kotomine.
Another thing that irked me is that the new angle of Shirou's ideal was not a new ideal, but the abandonment of it in favor of a healthier state of mind. Of course, "fixing" Shirou is a predictable outcome in hindsight, but for me Shirou WAS the ideal, and so it kinda felt awkward for him to abandon it. Though he really sells you on it in certain scenes like the aforementioned Nine Bullet Revolver or the manly fistfight.
This route probably had the best finale of all of them.
[04:55] Lianru: i3uster is actuallly quite cute
Well, the thing is, I don't really think Shirou did "abandon" his ideal, as such, not fully. He just modified it to become "protect those I care for first, and then everyone else". Plus, HF kind-of forced Shirou to modify his ideal somewhat, because "save everyone" became more and more obviously impossible as he went through.
I agree with you entirely, though, that the ending was awesome. The whole last battle was well-done, and you really did get the feeling that it was two emotional teenage girls fighting each other, with all the problems that causes (in addition to Sakura being corrupted by Angra Mainyu and very-definitely-not-sane, of course...). Plus, the climax of the battle was just heartwarming, really, especially after the way Rin had acted previously, and what would have happened if Shirou had spared Saber.
I think he was talking about the entire fight, not just Rin and Sakura.
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
In bed.
... I'm sorry for making that joke, I really am.
Ilya pretty much said it best and it is reflected in UBW, these are all just different situations Shirou goes through, he is equally reckless and suicidal for anyone in his sight. He's not an empty person as he leads himself to believe and this is actually shown in all routes. HF was just another scenario where Shirou's ideology is analyzed.
"Fate/stay night: not really an eroge, and not really a cooking sim, but actually an RPG wherein everyone’s primary stat is “self-loathing” and the goal is to level it up beyond all the other characters."
Well, yeah, true, the rest of the fight is awesome too. But the bit with Rin and Sakura is very well-orchastrated.
So Heaven's Feel.
I guess you could call it my favorite route. Sort of. I mean I liked Fate for what it was, and UBW was pretty good but HF does have a lot more going on and it has Shirou being confronted by his ideal's negatives. While Fate was all yeah his ideal is awesome and UBW was all your future sucks therefore your ideal does too (except no, hello answer) here it was, well here is why your ideal sucks whatcha gonna do kid? It also has Nine Bullet Revolver/Sparks Liner High (Second best Bad End)/Crazy Train/Gem Sword Zeltrech/All the good in this life which are the most badass scenes in all FSN. It has its negatives of course, Sakura's backstory is a hit or miss honestly because of it is really a lot and it may become not believable quickly, Sakura's passiveness, which is not really bad per se, but Saber and Rin have been presented as more active heroines so in comparison she does seem a bit weak on that front, again not her fault but still. there is also periods of nothing happening that are a bit boring, it comes after UBW's pacing which is fast as a train.
Still probably my favourite route. Also since I like bittersweet ends more, I probably like the Normal end more than the True End. Not because the True end is bad or anything just personal preference.
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Wait, you call HF Normal "bittersweet"? I don't recall seeing much "sweetness" in there....
World is saved and Sakura is alive. That's the sweetness of it. Sure she is alone and stuff (the bitterness) but she at least has her freedom.
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