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    Hiroyama isn't trying to be Urobuchi and this magical girl story doesn't have the same themes or goals as Heaven's Feel. Hiroyama might've borrowed from the HF aesthetic and tone sometimes, but there's a reason why all the obvious thematic parallels were contained to the Shirou backstory.

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    I'm not even arguing that it wouldn't be cheap, but "hiroyama would be a less talented urobuchi" is absolute nonsense.

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    It doesnt have to be cheap, depends of the execution. The thing is, we had an important character diying in a few pages last time, and now, with barely no breathing, the world ends in other few pages

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    I'm still struggling to figure out what the hell the plan is. Like they were using Miyu to write a new legend or something? And they needed her to open Pandora's box and then Julian's personal plan was to 'kill' Pandora before Darius' plan could come to fruition, and Darius' plan would somehow save humanity by transforming them into something that could survive the new earth (Notes Notes Notes), but then all of a sudden it's these weird ass Giants with Darius as some sorta jacked fire jesus thing which will now be the new origin of human history or something?

    Can anyone sum it up, cause that's the best I could do and its garbage.
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    Hiroyama is 100% making shit up at this point, lmao. Like I'm sure he still has some sort of general vague master plan, but there is a not insignificant portion of the story that's being made up as it goes.

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    I'm surprised there's so much discussion in regards to the manga tackling and criticizing Illya's idealism. To me it's absurdly clear it just won't.
    I actually agree, and knew from the start it was gonna be like this. My post was more arguing against the idea of if the story went the more dower route. Certain elements in the fandom are like... obsessive over thinking and/or wanting Prillya to become one of the most awful, bitter, miserable iterations of a story Type-Moon has told 5 times already. Their very much coming from the perspective that Prisma Illya is supposed a magical girl story for people who don't like magical girls, even if they won't say it.




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    we had an important character diying in a few pages last time, and now, with barely no breathing, the world ends in other few pages

    Yeah, lol, its such a ramp up so quickly to the point of ridiculousness. If Hiroyama actually expected us to take this seriously, that's just straight up poor writing. Unceremoniously offing two-thirds of the main cast, back to back, with in less than 2 minutes of each other is not how you make people take those deaths seriously.

    Also, I know this is turbo nerd mode, but I'm gonna be real, Miyu and Illya's reactions to Kuro's death kinda peeved me. They spent all of 4 pages going before immediately moving on. The damn kaiju monsters hadn't even appeared yet at that point, and even if they did, its still wildly out of character for them to have accept Kuro's death so quickly. Illya's entire ideal, her entire motivation was to save the world with out having to sacrifice anyone to do that, she should have absolutely had a bigger response when it turns out she just ended up trading Kuro's life for Miyu's. Miyu even more so, since her entire thing was about her self-worth issues and not want anyone to die for her, so one of her closet, best friends who's fought the hardest for Miyu dying right in front of her should have had more of a reaction than 😔before going "Let's finish the fight!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I'm still struggling to figure out what the hell the plan is. Like they were using Miyu to write a new legend or something? And they needed her to open Pandora's box and then Julian's personal plan was to 'kill' Pandora before Darius' plan could come to fruition, and Darius' plan would somehow save humanity by transforming them into something that could survive the new earth (Notes Notes Notes), but then all of a sudden it's these weird ass Giants with Darius as some sorta jacked fire jesus thing which will now be the new origin of human history or something?

    Can anyone sum it up, cause that's the best I could do and its garbage.
    I'd assume Darius is using the internal singularity in the box to reproduce an original mythology, which is related to his using of Miyu's blood to write out a legend. Whatever just happened in the last chapter fulfilled all his checkboxes, so now that singularity is going to rewrite the world. My assumption is Illya is going to essentially be isekai'd once again into something like a Lostbelt and the goal will be to stop Darius before he can expand his plan all the way to the root of the tree like he wants. It's going to be related to those Original NP Do Not Steal Class Cards he was using, so we might even see OC Heroic Spirits. Whatever his plan is, it seems related to fulfilling something for Pandora, because it seems he's just Zouken mixed with the Einzberns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgs435 View Post
    Reminder this is the Prisma thread and not Nanoha thread. This isn't the place to start a discussion over the Nanoha franchise just because someone referenced it to explain in few words one of his 3 ideas of where Prisma could go from here
    No reminder was necessary, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    Honestly while I get how this seems out of left field for Hiroyama to do by killing off not just Kuro, but Miyu as well, making it out like this goes against everything the series had and has is kind of disingenuous? There've always been these purveying undertones that Illya's idealistic world is a dream she has to wake up from eventually.
    While I agree that in-universe that is a perfectly valid view, from the Doylistic perspective... it's still pretty much killing the series comercially. They do want to keep it going, but that's not going to be that easy with two thirds of the main market appeal gone. At the very least, if the change sticks, Prisma is going to take a popularity hit, especially in Japan, THE target market.

    It'd make things particularly hard for the anime, since I can't see the otaku who were in for Kuro and Miyu being that invested on being sold the adaptation of the thing that takes them BOTH off the board at once.

    And if it's undone, then, well, congratulations, you've just redone every other mahou shoujo there (I'm exaggerating, of course, but...)

    Like I said before, it's a Catch 22. But now Hiroyama has made his bed and must sleep with the consequences one way or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    You guys would have a valid argument if Kuro's sacrifice actually mattered, but it was immediately invalidated lmao
    Technically it wasn't immediate, it took a month. Complaints a month ago were valid. Now it's just waiting to see how long until we can see her again and deal with whatever cast is left.

    Quote Originally Posted by OverMaster View Post
    And if it's undone, then, well, congratulations, you've just redone every other mahou shoujo there (I'm exaggerating, of course, but...)
    Are we just going to ignore the vast number of other magical girl cliches he's used in this series already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I'm still struggling to figure out what the hell the plan is. Like they were using Miyu to write a new legend or something? And they needed her to open Pandora's box and then Julian's personal plan was to 'kill' Pandora before Darius' plan could come to fruition, and Darius' plan would somehow save humanity by transforming them into something that could survive the new earth (Notes Notes Notes), but then all of a sudden it's these weird ass Giants with Darius as some sorta jacked fire jesus thing which will now be the new origin of human history or something?

    Can anyone sum it up, cause that's the best I could do and its garbage.
    As of now we just don't have enough info besides Darius taking "this wasn't even my final form" to new and disgusting levels.
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    The point of Prisma was always "redoing every other mahou shoujo out there" and having a Fate work where optimism wins in the end and the perfect ending with everyone saved is achieved. I dunno why that'd be suddenly a bad thing. It's not like it'd be any more creative if we'd have gotten here with no deaths instead of deaths to be undone, so I really fail to see the point there
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgs435 View Post
    It's not like it'd be any more creative if we'd have gotten here with no deaths instead of deaths to be undone, so I really fail to see the point there
    When you kill a character to raise the stakes and what people immediately get out of that is that it and a previous death are going to get undone, possibly after slaughtering some other characters who will also come back, it just seems like a waste of time. Why take a months-long detour doing things that are going to get undone instead of just going directly to God Darius?

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