Tsukihime Remake Thread - NOT THE SPOILER THREAD

[ballinamon]

Don't forget to read the manga <3

Personally its far better in execution of itself than the og novel. Far more focused and less messy.

The only thing you don't get of relevance is the hisui route. Not even for hisui herself but almost everything else story wise is backloaded into that one route.

Can't comment much about the original VN as I didn't played it. I watched the anime (ugh) and read the manga and this being one of my favorites manga I really recommend it. It even have a kinda happy end that I hope the remake adapt in some capacity. Maybe as a Last Episode thing.

[JZangetsu]

That is exactly what Nasu said when he made the first FGO interview, that is, even if FGO failed, he would keep doing it to have fun with his group of nerds who like it, although it was concerning FGO story only. But even then, Nasu has repeatedly shown being concerned about people calling FGO too shallow on interviews and that he wanted to change things and asking people to give a chance.
I dare to say that 2019 and 2020 being the best improvements for 12 year old fans and actually being the dead years for the waifumasters, even recognized by Nasu in someway, is a pretty good demonstration that there is a big relevancy on things being niche.
Therefore, the idea of Type Moon being only dedicated to fans from 12 years ago is only blocked for how FGO gives them $$$, which have been slowing down recently.

He still wanted things to grow, I don't think he was satisfied with how things was before, the biggest clue is how they created a whole new studio dedicated for games, not depending solely on other publishers/devs anymore, and started remaking Fate/Extra, which I believe was the start of this "divide" before FGO, seeing how some people was not willing to play at that time because they thought it was another fate milking cashgrab.

And even if FGO failed, it's very possible that it would not create an utopia where Nasu forgets Fate completely and start only doing VNs again, despite him saying that he was done with Fate after CCC, he wants to make games, not necessarily VNs.
I don't know why people think it's good to remain niche (and VNs are niche of the niche) just because the author has no other choice, seeing how light ended trying to make a mobage and Masada had to resort to crowdfunding to still work on something, it's just a blind idea to remain pure to a slowly dying medium at this point, which not even defines quality by default, but sure, people will think they're the coolest kid in the neightborhood by donating to him.

And the notion that he's working on Tsukihime now because F/GO got a profit hit is laughable at minimum, I doubt that Nasu could pull this in only 2 years with how he was still busy on FGO (not even counting the possibility of delays like the Mahoyo days) and FGO still makes a lot of profit anyway, it's a low cost game.

[TomPen94]

You're brushing real broad strokes there. I don't agree with the notion that TM should just do VNs nothing else and stay niche. But I have to agree the overwhelming popularity of FGO did "change the game" and not in a way that I like.

I hate gacha games with every fiber of my being. I can't stand them, and I think they're types of games that legit should not exist. In my eyes they should be illegal. But, if they succeed, they do make money. A lot of money. A lot of easy money.

For the past 4 years seeing a company that I followed for the narrative in its products turn into a gacha machine has been disheartening. The dissonance is such I don't even rate FGO when I think about Fate/. There's Fate/ the ideological story with waifus, and there's Fate/ the ugly corporate cashcow. But it was a successful strategy. FGO succeeded and it became a source of easy revenue.

I don't think it is that unfounded to fear that, should Tsukihime become "too" popular ot will be swept up in that "system" and go from a thing I love flaws and all to something I utterly despise. Though if that does happen I reckon my mind will deal with it the same way it dealt with FGO. But I aknowledge the possibility. And... well if it helps funneling some people back into either this or the original, something worthwhile will have been gained, however small that is.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I do agree that gacha games are fundamentally predatory and are morally reprehensible, but I do like some of the plot ideas generated in FGO. It ain't all trash.

[AmADo VII]

calling gacha games as easy money is BS.

there are no easy money for developers and casts.

you can hate FGO or other gacha games but you should not disrespect whoever is involved.

as for remake, just buy the game then complaint. at least you'd support Type-Moon directly unlike FGO.

[weeblord]

There's actually a reason for it to be, or in my particular case, 2.
1 - It makes it a controversial work that makes the normie side of the population to reject it (basically elitism).
2 - (my case) It gives more freedom to the artist to talk about anything he wants, 'cause if there's porn in your work, you're already on the worst denominator for society, so you litterary can go nuts on everything else.

For the first one, assuming you care about newcomers doing their "fresh meat" thing, it is a reading heavy work, they probably will give up on the first 15m and brag that they read the VN. Just ignore.
For the second, it is a matter of course that good writers don't need any "immorality steroid" to write about deep things, they just need to stay strong on their ideals, their objectives and don't think too much about what people will think about it... which is something Nasu indeed have a problem dealing with, imo, so yeah, there's that.

1 is just silly, especially since Type-moon already blew up far beyond just the eroge world during FSN, but you kind of have a point with 2 maybe. A lot of eroge writers of the golden years liked the eroge medium because the automatic R18 tag meant there were no content restrictions, and also how the promise of porn in the game allowed them the creative freedom write whatever fringe shit they wanted and sell it when in other mediums they might've been met with "hmmm... i dont think this shit would sell bro.." by publishers. But Nasu is an established super successful writer by now, so he doesnt really need that, and I dont think anything in tsukihime is that extreme, not even kohaku rape dungeon. Slap it a 17+ rating and it'll be fine.

[TomPen94]

calling gacha games as easy money is BS.

there are no easy money for developers and casts.

you can hate FGO or other gacha games but you should not disrespect whoever is involved.

as for remake, just buy the game then complaint. at least you'd support Type-Moon directly unlike FGO.

If that's what you got out of me saying "easy money" then I don't think we're speaking with the same definition in mind.
I do admit I was getting myself emotional when I typed that, so it might not have been the best way to describe it, so let me explain what I meant when I said it.
Let's say, hypothetically, that each FGO update requires the same overall effort to put together as a VN. Yet the FGO update yields much higher returns than the VN. For the same amount of effort you are getting back much more with one product than the other. Which of those would be considered an "easier" way of making bank?
It was also not meant to throw shade at developers or casts. Heck, those people are not even the ones that have a say in which projects they should work on. And ultimately I don't even think badly of anyone that plays it either, if it's fun for you it's fun for you and you should enjoy it. I was just telling the narrative from my perspective: the perspective of someone that fundamentally dislikes the type of game FGO is.

As for buying the remake. I'm doing that. I've decided I'm doing that. I'm very much excited for it. And if an official translated version comes out I'll be buying all over again.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Yeah, producers and executives are to blame for predatory gaming models for the most part.

[AmADo VII]

I don't enjoy FGO as a fun game by the way. honestly it's a chore and only fun when I was able to roll rare servants.

so I only enjoy FGO as something to read, because it is still a Type-Moon story.

[weeblord]

FGO has good ideas and bits and pieces but the execution is so scuffed thanks to the awful format. Its a terrible video game, the "VN sections" are like 2 decades behind the industry standard, and the phone game aspect seeps even into the writing.

Its like trying to eat a steak through a straw.

[Deathhappens]

calling gacha games as easy money is BS.

there are no easy money for developers and casts.

you can hate FGO or other gacha games but you should not disrespect whoever is involved.

as for remake, just buy the game then complaint. at least you'd support Type-Moon directly unlike FGO.

Gacha games are so lucrative precisely BECAUSE they are easy money. They don't make that much more money than, say, an AAA console title, but their production costs are tiny compared to such a title, and after the initial investment the cost of maintaining the game (if not actually improving it) is barely a spec on the budget.

[weeblord]

Getting your gacha successful in the oversaturated market is the hard part, once you overcome that its lots of money for little effort.

[Twelveseal]

Getting your gacha successful in the oversaturated market is the hard part, once you overcome that its lots of money for little effort.

Of course, having an existing, dedicated fanbase goes a long way to help that goal. Especially if its old enough to have time-consuming jobs that produce disposable income. Just imagine a Tsukihime gacha where you hunt vampires around the world as part of an independent organization jointly operated by the Church and Clock Tower, and tell me you wouldn't at least give it a shot.

[SeiKeo]

Remember that even TM thought FGO was just going to be a throwaway side thing and were taken aback by it

[Ratman]

Spoiler:

If not for the FGO Dark Ages, we could have been exploring the stars...

[AmADo VII]

interesting info from Ciel VA's radio.

audition for new casts was already be done few years ago.

[JZangetsu]

I think the technical shortcomings of FGO steeps from how DW was some random company in which Takeuchi was friends with the owner or something like that, you can see how limited and how bad things where when the current director is open about how shitty the code of the game was, the servants animation was copypasted to everyone to cut production time, and not even Mafia Kajita tries to hide that it was Kusoge.

Princess Connect for example beats FGO clean in technical aspects, the quality of the VN sections there are superb and they even use bits of actual animation constantly, and it's even much more generous than FGO with it's gacha, so they had a lot of room to do something better even though it's phone game.

But I think the expansion with the lore that came with FGO was interesting (not all of it, like Space Universe), when they stopped handicapping themselves with the writing it got a major boost in quality to the point that is hard to find something like that in mobages, seeing how some of it was pre-planned for the MMO I wonder why they gave up on the project.

I think the lession we got here is that Takeuchi just make bad decisions in who he chooses to handle the franchise.

[Herod]

interesting info from Ciel VA's radio.

audition for new casts was already be done few years ago.

Well, duh. In Nasu plans the game had to come out in 2017.

[weeblord]

interesting info from Ciel VA's radio.

audition for new casts was already be done few years ago.

Ouch, Hasegawa's been sitting on an unreleased huge mainstream role for years while still doing mostly anime bitroles and some eroge. Well, thanks to the delays of both tsuki and 86 she now has a killer streak coming up in 2021, with slam dunks in winter, spring and summer.

[Rafflesiac]

I think the technical shortcomings of FGO steeps from how DW was some random company in which Takeuchi was friends with the owner or something like that
I think the lession we got here is that Takeuchi just make bad decisions in who he chooses to handle the franchise.

No, it's Nasu who insisted on shitty second-string companies in order to maintain full creative control.