Satsuki will get new VA, confirmed by Omi Minami (former Satsuki VA).
Satsuki will get new VA, confirmed by Omi Minami (former Satsuki VA).
Unsurprising considering everyone else was recast.
Where did you get it from that Nasu separated them because of contradictions he didn't see coming? Arcueid mentions in her route that Alaya is not working properly which is what allows vampires to run amock. Alaya being weak in tsukihime and strong in fate is the reason the worlds aren't the same and it makes sense in that context.Originally Posted by TomPen94
Also he doesn't need to contradict anything with an FGO collab when you can easily make people from other worlds and timelines pop up in the setting.
We're about 4 years past this phase. If anything, thematic coherence is FGO's strongest suit at this point.
That depends very much on what you mean.
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
I mean that at very least it's fully planned and almost every event can be later recognized as foreshadowing for a future chapter.
'foreshadowing' is not thematic coherence. at best it indicates the coherence of plot. the fact that things which happen in the story are teased - or, let's be frank, advertised - in advance says nothing about the capability of that story to coherently develop its thematic content (in the sense of e.g. moral worldview)
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
Ok, I expressed myself very poorly with that. What I meant to say is that FGO's biggest idea is that good and evil are completely arbitrary labels thrown around to enable people to be quick to judge and discourage second chances and peaceful resolutions. Many of the main story villains, like Zetian, Abbigail, Altjuna, and of course, our supposed final boss Olga, are made antagonistic solely by their intolerance. Meanwhile, events ending with both sides of conflict going out on agreeable terms happen more often than not, most likely as a lower-scale version of how the Main Story's ending is prepared to play out. I definitely can't disagree that this trend is a product of the format, as you need to justify the event villain appearing in the gacha and becoming an ally in everything afterwards, but the fact that the Crypters, the character group most explicitly centered around the theme of second chances, are unplayable NPCs shows that they're also trying to build a story around that concept.
This does not seem to me to be a theme that FGO has managed to express in a coherent manner; or rather, I do not agree that the theme of 'peaceful resolutions' has been developed substantially beyond what you yourself admit it to be, namely, a kludgy hack allowing them to trivially create antagonists and resolve them back into summonable pokemon. How does the 'arbitrariness' of good and evil get articulated in a setting which is increasingly reliant on a broader narrative of "Human Evils" that must be overcome in order to "Progress"?FGO's biggest idea is that good and evil are completely arbitrary labels thrown around to enable people to be quick to judge and discourage second chances and peaceful resolutions.
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
Mainly by establishing from the start (and recently reinforcing with a solid example in Heian) that people genuinely malicious towards humanity can't qualify as human evil. The Beast title can only applied to beings who care strongly about humanity's future but have shitty and harmful opinions about what's that supposed to look like. Aside from that, there's defeated Beasts becoming allies (III and IV) or mostly helpful neutral parties (I) afterwards, and the main cast's current stated goal being bringing the last Beast back to their side.
But that is precisely what I mean when I say that the theme has not been developed substantially, or rather that it remains on a basically superficial level: there is a moral outlook to the effect that "everyone deserves a second change" "all antagonisms can be reconciled" etc., but this outlook remains on the level of a kind of fairy-tale morality, a children's story, precisely because the plot from the outset is adamant that there are no "real" antagonisms, that everything "oppositional" to you is ultimately no different from you. The storyteller's thumb is on the scale, so to speak. There's no weight, or rather no moral seriousness, involved in portraying this kind of "reconciliatory" outlook - because there are not allowed to be any "serious" moral antagonisms in the first place. A "reconciliation" that consists of beating people up until they confess, tsundere-style, that they actually were on your/"humanity's" side all along, is a precisely childish kind of reconciliation, more so even than the Fate route of FSN involves the affirmation of a 'childish' kind of heroism.
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
Oh, that's a point I agree. The argument here, at least on my side, was that FGO has been consistently proposing the same message since 2017 (or that the franchise as whole has been doing since a lot earlier, with the Sakura's plot in Heaven's Feel, Kotomine being motivated by labeling himself despite having harmless outlets to his sadism, and Angra Mainyu being just a guy everyone collectively decided to shit on), not that said message was brilliant or gracefully executed.
in the respect you mention FGO is doing nothing that FSN did not do far more comprehensively and elegantly 17 years ago. that speaks not so much to a 'consistency' of themes as to a stale repetition of them
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
[QUOTE=Namelesss;3106263]Its less shallow, and more convulted in its execution of multiverse and parallel universe theory.
Nasu writes with discussion in mind but while he seems to favor his universes having more splintering off, he doesn't seem to have a tight enough hold on where to assuredly draw the line or that even a line should be drawn in some places.
To use a funny example, Rin has Zelretch's treasure box, does that mean she also had the Kaliedostick that could have been used the entire time. You might say to yourself that no, that was a joke scene in Hollow, but the lines between jokes/spinoffs and the like gets blurred often.
The Nasuverse in general is a bucking bronco at this point, and Nasu has trouble rangling it. Not to even get into the bit about Psuedo Servant explanations.
So the split between Alaya being weak and Alaya being strong is hokey given we have the Pruning Theoretical Phenomenon now. I can only think he would revise Tsuikihime's lore when it does come up, which it will.
Isnt that a constant of the nasuverse, tought?
Tbh I feel like it has “narrative” coherence because fgo at this point kind of almost mindlessly repeats itself in terms of storybeats.
as far as the milquetoast attitude and flavor of Chaldea and Guda that has to accept everything and make everyone (with like two exceptions) good or accepting of others, even former enemies. One thing that FGO ends up lacking is a sense of a backbone or proper conviction tbh.
say what you will about the Tabula Rasa in the moon, they’ll still say Liz isn’t forgivable. To enjoy or accept everything is to not have any strong convictions or feelings in general, aka to be a pure vanilla man made simply to not offend.
Honestly the fact that the most we get of animosity between servants that should absolutely have animosity is a grrr I a bit mad don’t like lip service in bond lines is... Disappointing.
For reference, justifying a Tsukihime collaboration with F/GO is laughably easy. They already did a Fate/Kaleido Prisma*Illya event where the justification was literally "characters from both settings got isekai'd into a third unrelated dimension"! Doing the same for Tsukihime would be trivial.
Or, you know, the classic "hey, we detected a singularity where something weird is happening" and then you rayshift in and the singularity is in the Tsukihime timeline (much like the Fate/Zero event was in an alternative timeline where there were four Fuyuki Holy Grail Wars, wow).
Or it could be an Ahnenerbe thing involving Neco-Arc. Or Magical Amber pulls something. Or it's literally just FGO Sion vs. Himalayan Castle Arcuied. The sky's the limit. Some collaboration events are more relevant to the overall plot than others.
We'll see how things work out in Golden Week next year, I guess.
I mean we already have MBBAA connecting the two, Sion in FGO, Arc should exist in all worlds regardless cuz she's a TA, not a DAA...
The list goes on, but the fact of the matter is that MBBAA implied the connection between the two ages ago so all that's missing is to just put it in FGO and with all the underlying stuff that's not exactly a problem.
I mean Arc definitely doesn't exist in all timelines since she doesn't exist in KnK at a minimum. All that requires is that the other TA don't get bored and decide "Y'know what, I've got nothing to do today, let's build a Nuke" for the hell of it.
Arc doesn't exist in KnK?
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