Tsukihime Remake Thread - NOT THE SPOILER THREAD

[weeblord]

As for the Steam version of Cross-Channel... the translation is horrid. The old Amaterasu translation has lots of problems, but Moenovel's version is utterly nonsensical.

On the other hand, from what ive seen the steam version of Muvluv is absolutely *chefs kiss*.

equivalent exchange baby

[LJ3]

I think I have all the Muv-Luv except the fan disc.

[weeblord]

The fandisc is breddy gud

if you have a fetish for “ED starts playing a little before an anime episode ends” its straight up porn

[migliole]

I think reading is a more complex matter when consuming VNs than the media you're using. Why I think that? Just download FSN for android, Fate route is free. That thing is wonders, may be not as good as in PC, but is MILLIONS times better than FGO and most mobile games.

You have the wide screen mode, half CG half text (GBF) mode, save system is better, history is better, etc

I mean, it is completely possible to do VNs EASILY on any medium, android and iOS would be no exception. Maybe even a scientific calculator could run a port of Tsukihime.
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So, is there any more reason aside from reading-only product as an issue here?

[weeblord]

boss of frontwing speculated one of the challenges of old school VNs in modern times is that nowadays the target audience doesnt want to consume 1 big timesink product with a clear definitive ending, they want to be fed in small pieces that dont take long to consume, but go on and on and you can discuss them on social media etc for years.

[Dullahan]

correct.

[Twelveseal]

Ugh, a VN written on Twitter with screencap links. That's what comes to mind.

[migliole]

they want to be fed in small pieces that dont take long to consume

Isn't anime that already? Or any other serialized everything. Wait, isnt FGO that already?

This reminds of that Superman series where Clark and Lois were always "flirting" but never ended together. The series has lots and lots of vieweres... until they were put together and the viewers reduced.

Well, that is why there are more anime watchers than VN readers, so although not the only reason, indeed a good point.

So, make Nasu publish Arcueid route in pieces. Like those fanfics. If I recall correctly, the VNs have a division of scenes right? Wouldn't those be enough? Or do like FGO already.

[weeblord]

he was mostly referring to gacha games and LNs, the biggest killers of visual novels.

[Twelveseal]

Basically, anything built for mobile. The only things you can get people to sit down for extended periods right now are tv seasons dropped in bulk. It has to be passive, and usually lewd and violent.

Oh...

[SteelBeowulf]

it's been on my mind for a while but, FGO as a VN is really shitty. Seriously, Stay Night's static image animations, *clang* *clang* *clang* sounds, and screen covering text general storytelling more exciting than just a few lines and vectors moving. I guess over the years the VN aspect of FGO was getting better as in Lostbelts with more general scene images but fuck me... If this is what gacha and LN are replacing then visual storytelling future is just sad.

[LJ3]

Not an unpopular opinion

TM VN presentation wise peaked with Mahoyo

[Crown]

Agreed. Mahoyo is kino.

[Benderesco]

I mean, wasn't Mahoyo also TM's last real VN? Saying it "peaked" with Mahoyo implies it was never as good again, which, well... is only true because there was nothing after that.

Who knows, maybe the Tsukihime remake will be even better! That's completely possible, right? Right?

...*sob*

[AmADo VII]

it's been on my mind for a while but, FGO as a VN is really shitty. Seriously, Stay Night's static image animations, *clang* *clang* *clang* sounds, and screen covering text general storytelling more exciting than just a few lines and vectors moving. I guess over the years the VN aspect of FGO was getting better as in Lostbelts with more general scene images but fuck me... If this is what gacha and LN are replacing then visual storytelling future is just sad.

since when FGO is VN?

[weeblord]

It's not an uncommon take that the entire medium peaked with mahoyo, visuals wise. The reason why mahoyo took forever was iirc because of how long it took to make it look the way it does, and Type-moon is in the unique position of simply having the freedom to work on a single mid length VN for years. They dont have that urgent need to make money with it since they have so many alternative income sources. I'm sure tsukihimes unforgivably slow progress is, at least partially, due to this same issue but even worse because of its size. Tsukihime script is 64k lines & 3MB, Mahoyo is 23k lines & 1.24 MB. There's a lot more scenes to give that polish.

of course my pessimist nature tells me the main reason is simply that type moon is completely unenthusiastic about anything not involving servants.

[Ghost47]

It's been 8 years since Mahoyo, and I don't think anything has come close to the quality of it's visuals, though I would be very happy to be proven wrong. It probably doesn't help that most major VN companies seem to be moving away from the medium.

[fumei]

since when FGO is VN?

It might not be a pure VN but it literally uses a VN style for its story segments, so the answer is "from the start of Fuyuki".

As for its quality "as a VN", it's definitely been getting better at least. In LB5 we have cutscenes, internal thoughts, and even narration. Now if only that would have been retroactively applied to the making of earlier chapters...

[Dullahan]

fgo is not a VN as such: however, it is, among other things, a graduated drip-feed delivery mechanism for a VN of low to middling quality - much as many video games are graduated drip-feed delivery mechanisms for short films ('cutscenes') of low to middling quality. all forms of media are 'containers' for prior forms of media. re: mcluhan

[fumei]

Very astute of you, dullahan