Infinite Library of Swords: A Lyrical Nanoha x Nasuverse drabble thread

[Chicago Ted]

'murrican noble phantasms need no reason to explain how they crush the phantasms of the old world. It's pretty straightforward. Better be a lever-action repeater.

This could be pretty funny in crack, I gotta say.
And a decent point, us 'murricans haven't used too many swords.

[Gaboogie]

Also can't say I like the idea of the Blue being killed in battle.

What's more baffling is how Aoko died; apparently, she attacked the US Magus Association and they all fought in a long and bloody battle. Lolwut? As if Aoko even gives two shits about any Magus Association. It doesn't make sense with what little we know about her character; barring there being something in the still untranslated Mahoyo.

[lhklan]

The TSAB have been burned pretty badly by lost logia. You know, extremely powerful artifacts that their predecessors made and It's their predecessors fault the lost logia are even lost to begin with. It's pretty much their obligation 'as the remains of that magitek civilization' to find and contain them since it's connected to them and they're in the best position to do so.

It's not about superiority, even if it comes off as such. If it's something absurdly powerful, they're assuming it's a lost logia and they have no previous knowledge or evidence to assume it's otherwise. As far as they see it, you're tampering with something you can't even begin to understand. A wrong move could spell catastrophe at levels that rival Alhazred. That's what they're worried about. They have good reason to be concerned.

True. But what if the folks on the planet where said LL is from KNOW about the damn thing AND have proper countermeasure? It hasn't happened, but there's always a chance.

[Muramasa]

True. But what if the folks on the planet where said LL is from KNOW about the damn thing AND have proper countermeasure? It hasn't happened, but there's always a chance.

If it's a lost logia, you're either affiliated with the folks on mid-childa or one of it's criminals. Otherwise it's not an LL or your scenario is impossible.

[lhklan]

If it's a lost logia, you're either affiliated with the folks on mid-childa or one of it's criminals. Otherwise it's not an LL or your scenario is impossible.

By definition, Lost Logia are magical item of tremendous power. Nothing said that it's affliated with Mid-Childa folks/criminals. It maybe related to Ancient Belkan, it maybe not. How would the TSAB know then?

Another thing: TSAB calls it Lost Logia. People on that planet calls it by a different name. Who's to say the people on the planet can't find a way to suppress/contain it?

[Muramasa]

By definition, Lost Logia are magical item of tremendous power. Nothing said that it's affliated with Mid-Childa folks/criminals. It maybe related to Ancient Belkan, it maybe not. How would the TSAB know then?

Another thing: TSAB calls it Lost Logia. People on that planet calls it by a different name. Who's to say the people on the planet can't find a way to suppress/contain it?

Lost Logia are man made artifacts from Ancient Belka. Mid Childa is what remains of that civilization. It usually translates to, dangerous objects capable of mass destruction at an unimaginable scale.

If it looks like a duck and acts like a duck, they have to treat it as a Lost Logia. If the world population suggests they can suppress and contain it, that might as well be the same as saying they intend to tamper with it some time down the line. Otherwise they wouldn't fight the TSAB's efforts to contain it.

Only mid-childa or someone related to mid-childa, or someone involved in it's affairs would have any remote understanding as to how an LL works. Anyone else claiming otherwise is lying, doesn't know what he/she is talking about... or incredibly haxx.

[Epiren]

See, I was very much interested in this story (particularly due to my interest in Chain Reaction) until you mentioned that.

I agree with Carpe Noctem - it's because of Chain Reaction that I was interested in your fic, but I can't just help shake my head sadly at some of your comments.

And on Aoko's death - unless it's a plot-relevant point, then you don't have to answer - how did your OC kill her? I'm finding this quite hard to believe.

[AsGryffynn]

Though Daichi in Chain Reaction was more like Shinji with grades ( He cheated anyway) but in your version Yuuno is directly involved here. So does this mean he's the main villain?

Nope, he's doing the investigation on Nanoha's suggestion. She is the main antagonist (but not the true antagonist).

You can't make a Noble Phantasm. They're crystallized miracles that embody the legend of heroic spirits, so unless you've got a hero that for some reason would have a weapon that can nullify the conceptual superiority of other weapons (unlikely), it'd be more like a mystic code. And to make something of that level will require a lot of explaining for anyone here to buy it as anything other than a deus ex machina, just to warn you.

And @Shikyo

Poor grammar can obstruct much deeper issues in descriptions and dialogue, since it's hard to tell what's sloppy, and what's just badly written. And I don't know enough Tsukihime to say anything about vampires, but if you're worried about useless mooks not getting names, don't be...that's why they're useless mooks. Nothing actually happened in your snippet though, so picking on plot details is kinda pointless.

It's actually something more akin to the Moon Cell (which was called a Serial Phantasm IIRC). The new weapon works similarly. The way it works is through the origin of the weapon itself. The thing has the magic circuits of a dead magus (will be revealed later) whose Origin was "Innovation". It works by using the concept of age as a toxic chemical (think of the "Poison" FF spells and how they affect a target better if said target has high HP). Think of Kiritsugu's Origin Bullets as inflicting "MP burn" (the more mana you have, the more damage you take). The sword's power does the same with age. An ancient construct like Ea would simply collapse under it's own weight due to how old it is and the amount of energy it uses to operate, as it will turn the 4000+ mana units it uses up on their own master.

Overall, the sword's true conceptual power is "Be crushed by your own legacy" and goes well with one of the themes I'll be dealing with.

Abracadabra, you're a dumbass.

Abracadabra, fuck off if you won't contribute.

'murrican noble phantasms need no reason to explain how they crush the phantasms of the old world. It's pretty straightforward. Better be a lever-action repeater.

Oh believe me, anything can be defeated with enough hard work and planning.

That's even more dumb; now instead of ignorant idiocy it's deliberate idiocy. At least the former can be excused and fixed. You're deliberately going against the whole concept of the setting as a whole; it'd be like if you wrote a Naruto fanfic and had there be a 'no-chakra jutsu' or a 'no-ninja jutsu', or writing a Bleach fanfic without the whole concept of reiatsu. Or a Code Geass fanfic without geass and knightmare frames. Do you see where I'm going with this?

You shattered any semblance of SoD; no, of the very setting itself and replace with a stupid mockery that doesn't compare.

I already explained how it works. Plus, I aim to destroy the current hierarchy of power, not the setting.

Amaranth, how do you perceive the fifth magic to work if you think it can be countered and overpowered by an arc en ciel?

The Fifth Magic is Aoko's power. I'm going to delve into how the main character overcomes it (I better not hear "God Mode Sue" considering Shirou beat Gil once!).

Yes, her defeat's relevant to the plot.

You know one thing that pisses me off about the TSAB?
Oh, you have that? well I'm going to call it a lost logia and *yoink* I'm going to take it and study it so screw you.

The TSAB act like they have supreme right to do anything they want. It reminds me of the 'Greater Good' from the Harry Potter books. Just someone justiifying their own superiority.

Which is exactly why I'm doing this. Basically, the whole thing is meant to teach overpowered characters that they can lose too.

See, I was very much interested in this story (particularly due to my interest in Chain Reaction) until you mentioned that.

It'll be explained my friend, you just wait.

Any story where most servants can't curb stomp TSAB personnel kinda no-sells the whole thing for me. I can understand earth mages having a hard time touching them, but servants will either shrug off attacks or have already killed everything in sight by the time the dust clears. Ex: Saber ignores most of Nanoha's attacks, Karna ignores Arc-en-Ciel, Gil ignores Lost Logia/gets killed by a protagonist.

Broken? OP? That's the bloody point.

Of course, there's no reason beyond a HGW for the TSAB to encounter servants. Sure there's Dead Apostles, but those are also somewhat rare, so they won't necessarily encounter one of those either.

That's why I'm forced to increase their power a notch.

Hmmm... Can't say I have the best impression of the new story, the idea of Ea at full power being defeated by an attack is pretty difficult 2 imagine after watching it in Fate Extra CCC and reading its backstory. After all it does perform Genesis at maxmium output and against a single opponent crushes them with what could be described as a galaxy.

Also can't say I like the idea of the Blue being killed in battle.

1. The reason Ea loses to that sword is specifically because of how much of a big name it is! You know the phrase "The bigger they are the harder they fall"? That's going to be the main modus operandi of the fanfic. The TSAB is busy playing the big shots? Send the rebels to make 'em know they aren't as high and mighty as they thought. Blue thinking that only her opinions are right? Have her owned by someone who can no-sell her powers! Gil being a bastard? Get back at the bastard by crushing him under his own weight!

2. Aoko was defeated because the person who fought her was her doppelganger, so to speak. Every ability the Fifth Magic granted her was countered with a move that could overcome it.

What's more baffling is how Aoko died; apparently, she attacked the US Magus Association and they all fought in a long and bloody battle. Lolwut? As if Aoko even gives two shits about any Magus Association. It doesn't make sense with what little we know about her character; barring there being something in the still untranslated Mahoyo.

It has to do less with working for the Association, and more with the whole "entropy and Fifth Magic" situation that she's caused. Basically, the American magi had a tome with a lot of "Hyper Arts" that could've helped her master her powers better and perhaps fix the situation her Magic caused. In the end, she was killed to keep things from going further downhill and then they undid her changes.

The reason for all this trainwreck is that the Mages' Association in the UK has no technology, is highly self-limiting/traditionalist and has little financial/political/cultural backup. The American ones have used technology to enhance Thaumaturgy and have the colossal financial, political and cultural backup of the G8, the NATO, the Permanent Members of the UNSC and the world's elite. How? Why? Because the so called "Illuminati" and "Freemasons" are actually all parts of the group and the World Powers know about magic, but keep it concealed as well. While the Mages' Association is arresting Sealing Designations, the Americans are developing the Thaumaturgical equivalent of a Fuel Cell in, say, a vault under the Statue of the Liberty.

Basically, the American mages are like the TSAB on Earth, and they have next to zero contact with the Mages' Association.

Powerwise, the only breakthroughs are the introduction of Anti-Magic (not to be confused with "Magic Resistance") into the Nasuverse, and to introduce the concept of "self-inflicted damage", even though Kiritsugu already introduced it with the Origin Bullets.

Don't judge the fanfic by what you're hearing here. As you already saw in the prologue, it doesn't seems nearly as bad when you read it.

[gwonbush]

I must say, it is a rare idea that keeps sounding worse and worse every time it is expanded on. That takes skill.

[forumghost]

Which is exactly why I'm doing this. Basically, the whole thing is meant to teach overpowered characters that they can lose too.

So basically, this is a bash fic.

It has to do less with working for the Association, and more with the whole "entropy and Fifth Magic" situation that she's caused. Basically, the American magi had a tome with a lot of "Hyper Arts" that could've helped her master her powers better and perhaps fix the situation her Magic caused. In the end, she was killed to keep things from going further downhill and then they undid her changes.

The reason for all this trainwreck is that the Mages' Association in the UK has no technology, is highly self-limiting/traditionalist and has little financial/political/cultural backup. The American ones have used technology to enhance Thaumaturgy and have the colossal financial, political and cultural backup of the G8, the NATO, the Permanent Members of the UNSC and the world's elite. How? Why? Because the so called "Illuminati" and "Freemasons" are actually all parts of the group and the World Powers know about magic, but keep it concealed as well. While the Mages' Association is arresting Sealing Designations, the Americans are developing the Thaumaturgical equivalent of a Fuel Cell in, say, a vault under the Statue of the Liberty.

Oh, and some "Fuck yeah America" too? Will avoid like plague, thanks for letting me know.

[Kuradora]

The Fifth Magic is Aoko's power. I'm going to delve into how the main character overcomes it (I better not hear "God Mode Sue" considering Shirou beat Gil once!).

That example's off. Shirou won because he hard countered Gilgamesh and had Archer's help. "God Mode Sue" doesn't really factor into it.

[Epiren]

^^ What he said. That statement in particular just screams "American superior; F--- the rest".

[lhklan]

@Muramasa

Let just agree to disagree then. Amaranth's kicking up a storm and I don't want to miss.

[AsGryffynn]

I must say, it is a rare idea that keeps sounding worse and worse every time it is expanded on. That takes skill.

So basically, this is a bash fic.



Oh, and some "Fuck yeah America" too? Will avoid like plague, thanks for letting me know.

Fine by me...

That example's off. Shirou won because he hard countered Gilgamesh and had Archer's help. "God Mode Sue" doesn't really factor into it.

Yup, and Aoko's going to get hard countered too.

^^ What he said. That statement in particular just screams "American superior; F--- the rest".

It's less "America's Superior" and more "We have the government on our side". America is the leading country, but the society is international. Just think of... say... the UN Spacy, but for magic instead of Space Travel.

@Muramasa

Let just agree to disagree then. Amaranth's kicking up a storm and I don't want to miss.

Amen reverend!

[Siriel]

Shirou won because he hard countered Gilgamesh and had Archer's help. .

Gilgamesh losing his brain somewhere and forgetting he had defensive stuff in GoB helped too.

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Anyway, Amaranth. If your answer to all criticism of your ideas is "I'll do it right!", then stop talking about it until you've written it. Because all you're doing by describing it this way is discouraging people from giving it a fair shot.


That's why I don't go around telling people that the sequel of From Azure will involve Shinji becoming awe-WAIT NO FORGET THAT!

[AsGryffynn]

^
Deal, after all, everyone thought it would be terrible and then they read the Prologue and were like:



Expect thread and Ch 1 tomorrow, unless I oversleep again/ have stuff to do.

[lhklan]

^
Deal, after all, everyone thought it would be terrible and then they read the Prologue and were like:



Expect thread and Ch 1 tomorrow, unless I oversleep again/ have stuff to do.

NOpe. My reactions were:

[Epiren]

I'll wait before I'll pass my judgment, but there's one thing that I'm eager for:

Fight scenes.

Because if there was one thing that Chain Reaction made enjoyable (for me, at least, considering... everything else), it was its fight/action scenes.

[Knick]

Ya it was not that good (but give a shot), and the idea itself has a lot of flaws.

And you get angry at people telling you the flaws and your answer is basically screw you ill make it good... why does this sound familiar...

[AsGryffynn]

NOpe. My reactions were:

Your opinion. conservativebastards

I'll wait before I'll pass my judgment, but there's one thing that I'm eager for:

Fight scenes.

Because if there was one thing that Chain Reaction made enjoyable (for me, at least, considering... everything else), it was its fight/action scenes.

It's one of the things I'm crafting the most, so I hope they'll satisfy you.

@Knick: The problem is when the idea itself is then rewritten to pander to the readers that are criticizing it. Fanfics are usually written for personal enjoyment rather than actually selling (in non-monetary terms) the thing to others. Otherwise, I would've done a First Grail War fanfic instead.