Infinite Library of Swords: A Lyrical Nanoha x Nasuverse drabble thread

[Olive]

You probably want to follow something different then, because off the top of my head, the only Nanoha character to properly die was Precia, and there wasn't even any blood in that

[Tiresias]

You probably want to follow something different then, because off the top of my head, the only Nanoha character to properly die was Precia, and there wasn't even any blood in that

Clyde, Reinforce, Regiuz, Zest, Clone Zest, Nakajima-mama, Tiida, Alicia, Due...

[nununu]

Nasu-verse magic is a direct manipulation of reality to achieve the desired result, it seems as though a Starlight Breaker, on any setting, could be blocked relatively easily by a proper magus, such as Rin or Caster.

Good thing, Servant Caster(s) aside, there are only two Nasuverse magic users around and neither tend to give a fuck.

[alethiophile]

Well. Magic the generic term, meaning either magecraft or sorcery. Though I can't imagine that a full-power beam could be deflected all that easily; Caster probably could, but Rin would have to put a jewel into it, most likely.

[nununu]

Yeah, Rin's gems could block magic beams than can pierce multiple layers of reinforced concrete, sure. To avoid over/underestimating either side of the x-over, it'd be best to think of mages of Nanoha's caliber as possessing their versions of Saber's Dragon Mana-reactor™ and the amount of magical power that implies. That's pretty much the closest the Nasu-verse has to Linker Cores after all.

Also, why are Nanohaverse's magic beams being underestimated so much in here? Even in the Nasuverse, the strongest magic attacks are freaking magic beams.

[Olive]

Clyde, Reinforce, Regiuz, Zest, Clone Zest, Nakajima-mama, Tiida, Alicia, Due...

I never actually watched StrikerS...

And now that I consider it, Precia was coughing up blood for most of the last few scenes.

[alethiophile]

Rin's jewels can kill off Berserker, block Caster-spam or protect her against Berserker's strength. They're damned potent. The issue, of course, being that she only has ten of them.

[forumghost]

Rin's jewels can kill off Berserker, block Caster-spam or protect her against Berserker's strength. They're damned potent. The issue, of course, being that she only has ten of them.

Pretty Much. According to the prologue, one of them is enough to raze a house.

[nununu]

Rin's jewels can kill off Berserker, block Caster-spam or protect her against Berserker's strength. They're damned potent. The issue, of course, being that she only has ten of them.

Which implies they have enough power in them to completely negate a Divine Shooter or two or maybe a full barrage if you're generous. That's not exactly a 'full-power beam'.

And the Herk-kill used up multiples gems.

[Daneel Rush]

On the same note, we could argue that, since Thaumaturgical Systems are embedded into the planet, Magecraft does not work outside of planet Earth. Also, Magecraft is well-defined within the realm of possibility; it doesn't break any rules, so I do not see how it could disrupt Nanohaverse magic. Reality Marbles are a whole other can of worms, though.

[Knives91]

Yeah, Rin's gems could block magic beams than can pierce multiple layers of reinforced concrete, sure. To avoid over/underestimating either side of the x-over, it'd be best to think of mages of Nanoha's caliber as possessing their versions of Saber's Dragon Mana-reactor™ and the amount of magical power that implies. That's pretty much the closest the Nasu-verse has to Linker Cores after all.

Also, why are Nanohaverse's magic beams being underestimated so much in here? Even in the Nasuverse, the strongest magic attacks are freaking magic beams.

They're being underestimated because Noble Phantasms are composed of bullshit. Compared to Ea, beam spams are not that terrifying.

Also, beam spams are kind of generic. Absurdly powerful yes, but do they rewrite reality to ensure they connect? Nope. Hence, they get put at a lower level of the "ohshitdamnit" o'meter.

[Kuradora]

The suggestion was made a while ago that Nasu magic, which works by manipulating reality itself, might inherently interfere with Nanoha magic, which works by manipulating energy within reality, to the degree that Nanoha magic might not even work within a sufficiently Nasu-magic-y environment (say, Caster's temple, or UBW). Not sure the degree to which that makes sense, but it's an interesting idea.

If this is the case, then doesn't that mean all servants are immune to Nanoha magic?

[alethiophile]

Well, Servants are apparently immune to "mundane" damage like e.g. getting hit by a car or whatever, so if you write Nanoha magic as highly sophisticated applications of physics and not "magecraft" in the Nasu sense, then yes. Which leads to annoying, so maybe that's not the best idea.

[nununu]

They're being underestimated because Noble Phantasms are composed of bullshit. Compared to Ea, beam spams are not that terrifying.

Also, beam spams are kind of generic. Absurdly powerful yes, but do they rewrite reality to ensure they connect? Nope. Hence, they get put at a lower level of the "ohshitdamnit" o'meter.

Nope, but they can have lock-on, homing capabilities or really huge AoE to make sure they hit close enough though! There are also cross-dimensional attacks(ie can hit someone in Avalon), space-time distortions that remove stuff from existence and even time-travel but those aren't beam attacks so they don't count.

Well, Servants are apparently immune to "mundane" damage like e.g. getting hit by a car or whatever, so if you write Nanoha magic as highly sophisticated applications of physics and not "magecraft" in the Nasu sense, then yes. Which leads to annoying, so maybe that's not the best idea.

Except they still use magical energy which make them as mundane as a Servant's body.

[Kuradora]

Except they still use magical energy which make them as mundane as a Servant's body.

But what about level of Mystery?

[Tiresias]

Do remember that Nanoha uses pure magical energy attack. And so...

No: almost all magic is about the creation of fire instead of prana shaped as fire (for example). You supply prana and a magical 'program' to the world, and it executes it for you. Using pure prana constructs allows your spells to be repelled by any random magus, so they don't do it.

Essentially, Servants and magi have different forms of magic resistance, though we call them the same thing in English. Both would block pure prana. Magi can't get around a complete spell, but Servants can resist it. Neither would block an entirely natural phenomenon.

The method of operation seems to vary. Magi and Artoria do it via the circulation and unleashing of prana as a counter. This may hold true for other Servants, but seems like it shouldn't, based on their relative prana levels. So there's quite possibly some other way (multiple other ways, perhaps?) in which Servants can stop spells.

We are talking about the Anti Magic skill of Servants. They are just that hax. Caster made use of magecraft that should bypass spell resistance entirely and they still say nope. I can't really think of anything that works like what you are asking about because at that point the Servants are going to go lol nope because of spiritual ranks protecting them from natural phenomenon. It needs to have some mystery or else it can't even begin to hurt them. And if it's magecraft it has to be strong enough to penetrate.

So no, Nanoha won't be soloing a Grail War without breaking a sweat

[shikyo21]

In other words, even TSAB come down here, their eventual fate will end up killed like cannon fodder.

I got no problem having alien corpses littering planet Earth.

[lhklan]

In other words, even TSAB come down here, their eventual fate will end up killed like cannon fodder.

I got no problem having alien corpses littering planet Earth.

If I remembers correctly, there's already at least 1 alien on Earth in Nasu.

[shikyo21]

If I remembers correctly, there's already at least 1 alien on Earth in Nasu.

For that alien the rule is simple; don't go bother it.

[nununu]

So no, Nanoha won't be soloing a Grail War without breaking a sweat

Better than being completely ineffectual, like the thread seems to believe. :V

Plus her bombardment spells prolly have enough 'oomph' in them that even Servants would need actual MR ranks to tank 'em.

I wonder how much 'mystery' magically-induced falling rocks have.